[Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting

Sat Feb 14 19:38:04 PST 2009

Yes, as I've said numerous times now I'm sure it will be a great event. 
And I hope David will allow the Green Party to table at his event.

Green is Coalition!

Drew

On Sat, February 14, 2009 18:21, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote:
> Thank you Fred for info on Ledesma and Greens.  If Green members are
> against recruiting minors here is item needs attention sharing and
> publicity.
>
> I received a notice of an  event in San Jose which is informational
> and fund raiser for support of Anti-Recruiting legislation of cities
> Arcata and Eureka,Calif which US Dept of Defense is trying to kill
>
> This event in San Jose should be publicized by local Green Party if it
> against military recruting of high school kids
>
>   The event:--:" Support for Arcata and Eureka Anti-Recruiting
> Ordinances ".
>
> Saturday  March 7, 2009  4 PM
>
> First Christian Church
>
> 80 South Fifth St ,  San Jose, Calif
>
> Further info:--  www.stoprecruitingkids.org
>
> With faith in a future of democracy and peace for all   Paul
> ( with no recruiting of minors )
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Fred Duperrault wrote:
>
>> Dear Paul and other GRSCC Readers,
>>
>> Please don't interpret what Drew has expressed re David Ledesma as the
>> truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>>
>> I'm sorry to have to enter this public discussion regarding
>> personalities and misinterpreted reports on what happened in certain
>> meetings, but I feel I must do so in the best interests of more than
>> one
>> group in which Drew and I have been members, and in defense of David
>> Ledesma.
>>
>> First of all, Drew's accusation of David Ladesma trying to "attack"
>> him
>>  was inaccurate and unfair. Secondly, inferring that David "as an
>> outside disrupter who has ill intent toward the Green Party" was
>> uncalled for, not true. And, after hearing a critical word, but not
>> damning,  about David during a VFP meeting, Drew, at the very
>> beginning
>> of the SRK planning meeting, confronted David as if he were a
>> prosecuting attorney accusing David of being an obstinate,
>> incompatible
>> person.
>>
>> Please don't accept Drew's wrong headed account of David Ledesma, his
>> character and motives.
>>
>> Regretting having to intervene,
>>
>> Fred Duperrault
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> Thank you for your clarification re; Ledesma's relationship with Green
>> Party
>>
>> I heard him at a meeting of a peace group I belong to,  where  he
>> described his attitude against military recruitment and I felt he was
>> quite dedicated and seemed to do his actions on an individual basis  I
>> have been a registered Green Party voter for a number of years and
>> before that with other progressive small parties, regretfully none
>> have become major parties.  I thought Ledesma's ideas compatiblewith
>> the Greens, but am sorry he had difficulty cooperating with local
>> Greens.
>>
>>
>> I admire youriniative and energy in developing an Anti-Recruitment
>> Coalition and wish you well .People like you are sorely needed.
>>
>> Have you considered working with Clean Money organization? They work
>> toward public financing of elections and this could benefit the Green
>> Party and other less than affluent parties.
>>
>> Thank you your time and detailed explanation re Ledesma and the Greens
>>
>> With continued hope for democracy and peace for all     Paul
>>
>> 0
>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, I have no idea who you are and what if any relationship you
>>> have to
>>> the Green Party.
>>>
>>> ...but the facts are that when Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went
>>> to
>>> the Veterans for Peace Chapter 101 meeting the general response was
>>> they
>>> would NOT go forward with any coalition that involved David Ledesma
>>> because their experience was that he had to have everything done his
>>> way
>>> and had to have 100% control of it.  I was very shocked that THEY
>>> had such
>>> a negative reaction.
>>>
>>> But then a series of actions on David's part totally seemed to fit
>>> the
>>> behavioral pattern the VfP folks had described.  when I tried to ask
>>> David
>>> about whatever had lead to them having that reaction he wouldn't
>>> respond
>>> to it and started attacking me!   Ah, that's good -- the guy who just
>>> walked off the street (David) is trying to tell party officials how
>>> to run
>>> their business!
>>>
>>> Then he said he didn't want to be part of a Green Party committee or
>>> coalition anymore.  I can live with that.   We have to safeguard our
>>> party
>>> from outside disruptors, and those who have ill intent towards the
>>> party
>>> or simply don't understand and fit in with our 10 Key Values.
>>> Heck, I
>>> don't even know if David is a member of the party!!!
>>>
>>> Someone like David could very well have some great input, but it
>>> behooves
>>> them to 1) at least hang out with the group for awhile (I did for
>>> one year
>>> before volunteering for anything), 2) join the party and fullfill the
>>> requisite 'dues-paying' before launching a campaign to remake the
>>> party in
>>> their image.
>>>
>>> And by the way Paul, the coalition is happening in large part
>>> because I'm
>>> building it.  Coalition -- its what Greens do.
>>>
>>>
>>> Green is Coalition!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 13:34, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds
>>>> me
>>>> of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive
>>>> groups
>>>>
>>>> Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the
>>>> spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party
>>>>
>>>> For democracy and peace foe all    Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it
>>>>> interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months
>>>>> now to
>>>>> make it a regular feature of the meeting to
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by
>>>>> one or
>>>>> more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this
>>>>> month
>>>>> I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after
>>>>> approval of
>>>>> last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow
>>>>> along
>>>>> with
>>>>> the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the
>>>>> other
>>>>> Recurring Business
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee,
>>>>> working group, etc.  If people get into the habit of arriving at
>>>>> 6:30 as
>>>>> we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be
>>>>> before the
>>>>> 7:30 main meeting time.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list
>>>>> that
>>>>> David
>>>>> Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition
>>>>> meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be
>>>>> considered a
>>>>> Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was
>>>>> originally
>>>>> planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party
>>>>> committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting
>>>>> tactics.
>>>>> So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his
>>>>> non-Green Party, non-coalition event.  He seems to have the details
>>>>> of his
>>>>> event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully
>>>>> but it
>>>>> doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non-
>>>>> Green
>>>>> Party, noncoalitional event.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the
>>>>> (renamed
>>>>> from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We
>>>>> already have
>>>>> an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with
>>>>> members of
>>>>> Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101.  The coalition will be moving
>>>>> forward
>>>>> with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War
>>>>> and
>>>>> and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and
>>>>> in not
>>>>> recruiting children fraudulently.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote:
>>>>>> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's
>>>>>> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have
>>>>>> anything
>>>>>> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as
>>>>>> soon
>>>>>> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest
>>>>>> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Green Party of Santa Clara County
>>>>>> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beginning Business
>>>>>> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min
>>>>>> Introductions - 5 min
>>>>>> Finalize agenda - 5 min
>>>>>> Recurring Business
>>>>>> Treasurer’s report - 5 min
>>>>>> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min
>>>>>> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min
>>>>>> 2010 Candidates, including Wes’s suggestion for Water Board
>>>>>> (Peter) -
>>>>>> 10 min
>>>>>> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min
>>>>>> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Business
>>>>>> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min
>>>>>> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min
>>>>>> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min
>>>>>> Roy Nordblum - 10 min
>>>>>> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min
>>>>>> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min
>>>>>> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min
>>>>>> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale’s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10
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