[Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting

Sat Feb 14 18:21:53 PST 2009

Thank you Fred for info on Ledesma and Greens.  If Green members are  
against recruiting minors here is item needs attention sharing and  
publicity.

I received a notice of an  event in San Jose which is informational  
and fund raiser for support of Anti-Recruiting legislation of cities  
Arcata and Eureka,Calif which US Dept of Defense is trying to kill

This event in San Jose should be publicized by local Green Party if it  
against military recruting of high school kids

  The event:--:" Support for Arcata and Eureka Anti-Recruiting  
Ordinances ".

Saturday  March 7, 2009  4 PM

First Christian Church

80 South Fifth St ,  San Jose, Calif

Further info:--  www.stoprecruitingkids.org

With faith in a future of democracy and peace for all   Paul
( with no recruiting of minors )

On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Fred Duperrault wrote:

> Dear Paul and other GRSCC Readers,
>
> Please don't interpret what Drew has expressed re David Ledesma as the
> truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>
> I'm sorry to have to enter this public discussion regarding
> personalities and misinterpreted reports on what happened in certain
> meetings, but I feel I must do so in the best interests of more than  
> one
> group in which Drew and I have been members, and in defense of David
> Ledesma.
>
> First of all, Drew's accusation of David Ladesma trying to "attack"  
> him
>  was inaccurate and unfair. Secondly, inferring that David "as an
> outside disrupter who has ill intent toward the Green Party" was
> uncalled for, not true. And, after hearing a critical word, but not
> damning,  about David during a VFP meeting, Drew, at the very  
> beginning
> of the SRK planning meeting, confronted David as if he were a
> prosecuting attorney accusing David of being an obstinate,  
> incompatible
> person.
>
> Please don't accept Drew's wrong headed account of David Ledesma, his
> character and motives.
>
> Regretting having to intervene,
>
> Fred Duperrault
>
>
>
>
> Drew
>
> Thank you for your clarification re; Ledesma's relationship with Green
> Party
>
> I heard him at a meeting of a peace group I belong to,  where  he
> described his attitude against military recruitment and I felt he was
> quite dedicated and seemed to do his actions on an individual basis  I
> have been a registered Green Party voter for a number of years and
> before that with other progressive small parties, regretfully none
> have become major parties.  I thought Ledesma's ideas compatiblewith
> the Greens, but am sorry he had difficulty cooperating with local
> Greens.
>
>
> I admire youriniative and energy in developing an Anti-Recruitment
> Coalition and wish you well .People like you are sorely needed.
>
> Have you considered working with Clean Money organization? They work
> toward public financing of elections and this could benefit the Green
> Party and other less than affluent parties.
>
> Thank you your time and detailed explanation re Ledesma and the Greens
>
> With continued hope for democracy and peace for all     Paul
>
> 0
> On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>
>> Paul, I have no idea who you are and what if any relationship you
>> have to
>> the Green Party.
>>
>> ...but the facts are that when Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went
>> to
>> the Veterans for Peace Chapter 101 meeting the general response was
>> they
>> would NOT go forward with any coalition that involved David Ledesma
>> because their experience was that he had to have everything done his
>> way
>> and had to have 100% control of it.  I was very shocked that THEY
>> had such
>> a negative reaction.
>>
>> But then a series of actions on David's part totally seemed to fit  
>> the
>> behavioral pattern the VfP folks had described.  when I tried to ask
>> David
>> about whatever had lead to them having that reaction he wouldn't
>> respond
>> to it and started attacking me!   Ah, that's good -- the guy who just
>> walked off the street (David) is trying to tell party officials how
>> to run
>> their business!
>>
>> Then he said he didn't want to be part of a Green Party committee or
>> coalition anymore.  I can live with that.   We have to safeguard our
>> party
>> from outside disruptors, and those who have ill intent towards the
>> party
>> or simply don't understand and fit in with our 10 Key Values.   
>> Heck, I
>> don't even know if David is a member of the party!!!
>>
>> Someone like David could very well have some great input, but it
>> behooves
>> them to 1) at least hang out with the group for awhile (I did for
>> one year
>> before volunteering for anything), 2) join the party and fullfill the
>> requisite 'dues-paying' before launching a campaign to remake the
>> party in
>> their image.
>>
>> And by the way Paul, the coalition is happening in large part
>> because I'm
>> building it.  Coalition -- its what Greens do.
>>
>>
>> Green is Coalition!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 13:34, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds
>>> me
>>> of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive
>>> groups
>>>
>>> Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the
>>> spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party
>>>
>>> For democracy and peace foe all    Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it
>>>> interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months
>>>> now to
>>>> make it a regular feature of the meeting to
>>>>
>>>> 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by
>>>> one or
>>>> more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this
>>>> month
>>>> I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after
>>>> approval of
>>>> last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow  
>>>> along
>>>> with
>>>> the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the
>>>> other
>>>> Recurring Business
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee,
>>>> working group, etc.  If people get into the habit of arriving at
>>>> 6:30 as
>>>> we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be
>>>> before the
>>>> 7:30 main meeting time.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list  
>>>> that
>>>> David
>>>> Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition
>>>> meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be
>>>> considered a
>>>> Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was
>>>> originally
>>>> planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party
>>>> committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting
>>>> tactics.
>>>> So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his
>>>> non-Green Party, non-coalition event.  He seems to have the details
>>>> of his
>>>> event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully
>>>> but it
>>>> doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non-
>>>> Green
>>>> Party, noncoalitional event.
>>>>
>>>> 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the
>>>> (renamed
>>>> from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We
>>>> already have
>>>> an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with
>>>> members of
>>>> Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101.  The coalition will be moving
>>>> forward
>>>> with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War
>>>> and
>>>> and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and
>>>> in not
>>>> recruiting children fraudulently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote:
>>>>> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's
>>>>> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have
>>>>> anything
>>>>> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as
>>>>> soon
>>>>> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest
>>>>> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> Green Party of Santa Clara County
>>>>> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009
>>>>>
>>>>> Beginning Business
>>>>> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min
>>>>> Introductions - 5 min
>>>>> Finalize agenda - 5 min
>>>>> Recurring Business
>>>>> Treasurer’s report - 5 min
>>>>> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min
>>>>> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min
>>>>> 2010 Candidates, including Wes’s suggestion for Water Board
>>>>> (Peter) -
>>>>> 10 min
>>>>> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min
>>>>> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min
>>>>>
>>>>> New Business
>>>>> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min
>>>>> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min
>>>>> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min
>>>>> Roy Nordblum - 10 min
>>>>> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min
>>>>> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min
>>>>> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min
>>>>> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale’s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10
>>>>> min_______________________________________________
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