[GPSCC-chat] comments on bookmark

[Tian Harter]

I'm thinking the thing to do is print some of them up and see if they
work while tabling. What's the problem with that?

Tian

spencerg wrote:
> Hello, All:
> 
> 
>       I produced a "No on 14" bookmark that seemed to have a consensus
> and sent it April 16 to Jim Stauffer, Jim Doyle, Caroline Yacoub, Dale
> Warner, Merriam Kathleen, Tian Harter and Werner Bloomberg.
> Unfortunately, the template did not get turned into bookmarks, as I had
> expected.  Tian said they could have been used last Wednesday for Earth
> Day.  Last Friday, Caroline Yacoub asked me and three others to take
> care of this.  I spoke with Dale Saturday morning;  he said he had not
> received my email and did not have time then.  I tried to call Merriam
> and Andrea without success.
> 
>     
>       Might someone suggest a next step?
>       Best Wishes,
>       Spencer
> H:  408-294-5779
> M:  408-655-4567
> 
> 
> #####################
> Thanks, Jim, Jim, et al.:
> 
> 
>        I've revised the proposed bookmark based on the latest comments;
>  see the text copied below or attached.  This incorporates Stauffer's
> and Doyle's suggestions, I think, and I believe it reflects a consensus
> of just about everything I've heard on this issue, especially lately.
> 
> 
> DALE:  When do you plan to produce these?  Can you do it from the
> attached?  I think you should feel free to make copies from the attached
> unless you hear something different before you have to go to press.
> 
> 
> ALL:
> 
> 
>        From previous conversations, I believe Dale will probably do this
> tomorrow, Saturday.  Caroline said we need them Sunday.
> 
> 
>        We have space to add a few more words, but we are virtually out
> of time.
> 
> 
>        Best Wishes,
>        Spencer
> ############
> CURRENT TEXT:
> 
> No on Prop 14
> 
> Title:  “Elections. Increases Right to Participate in Primary Elections”
> 
> Proposed system: Non-partisan, open primary. Only the two highest voted
> candidates allowed into the general election. Theoretically, will elect
> more moderates.
> 
> ----------
> 
> Opponents' analysis: Has been tried elsewhere and did not achieve goals.
> Fosters incumbency, limits choice, eliminates third parties from general
> election, and conflicts with other reforms.  In Louisiana, only one
> incumbent lost in 30 years (1978-2006).  Only one incumbent lost when
> Washington used it in 2008.
> 
> More info:  “California Proposition 14 (2010)” in ballotpedia.org,
> StopTopTwo.org, or cagreens.org/erwg/ Prop14
> 
> 
> ######################################
> 
> On 4/15/2010 8:24 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>> Yes, I agree that a bookmark with references to web sites could be
>> useful.
>>
>> But it needs a statement of advocacy for the GP position:
>>
>> Proposed system: Non-partisan, open primary. Only the two highest
>> voted candidates allowed into the general election. Theoretically,
>> will elect more moderates.
>>
>> Opponents' analysis: Has been tried elsewhere and did not achieve
>> goals. Fosters incumbency, limits choice, and conflicts with other
>> reforms.
>>
>>
>> Jim S
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/2010 9:00 PM, spencerg wrote:
>>> Dear Jim, et al.:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. If you're preaching to the choir, you don't need the appearance of
>>> objectivity. However, our choir is quite small. To reach a larger
>>> audience, we need to appear more rational than the "Yes on 14" folks.
>>> They can buy votes, we afford to play that game.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Many people who won't take a quarter sheet will take a bookmark.
>>> Therefore, a decision to not offer a bookmark is a decision to say
>>> nothing to those who would take a bookmark but not a quarter sheet.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. We can get a headline on a bookmark and follow with references to one
>>> or more web sites. We can have a little more than that but not much
>>> more. What do you think about following Tian's "No 14" art with Jim
>>> Doyle's text and something like, "More Info: 'StopTopTwo.org',
>>> 'cagreens.org/erwg/Prop14', and 'California Proposition 14, 2010' in
>>> 'ballotpedia.org'. People like me will not be swayed by 'StopTopTwo.org'
>>> nor by 'cagreens.org/erwg/Prop14', but will find 'ballotpedia.org'
>>> persuasive. And it all fits handily on a bookmark. You can delete the
>>> reference to 'ballotpedia.org' if you want. I think that would lessen
>>> your impact, but not as much as not producing a bookmark at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/2010 6:47 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>>> Jim makes valid points about what voters want from the GP, which is an
>>>> opinion on why they should or shouldn't support an issue. They're not
>>>> looking for neutral information, they're looking for a rational
>>>> argument.
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, I'm not sure the bookmark format works for this.
>>>> Changing to a new type of Primary is a complex issue that's difficult
>>>> to explain on something as small as a bookmark. Has anyone looked at
>>>> the 1/4-sheet handout on the GPCA web site? I think that's about as
>>>> small as you can get on this topic.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2010 4:36 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>> Greetings all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The bookmark, or any other material, needs to have a punch line
>>>>> and a reason. The red circle is an exceellent eye catcher and the next
>>>>> two sentences - in bold face below - can be read in a matter of
>>>>> seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> VOTE NO ON PROP 14
>>>>>
>>>>> BECAUSE IT EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATES
>>>>> THIRD PARTIES FROM THE GENERAL ELECTION
>>>>> and
>>>>> ALLOWS PARTISANS OF ONE PARTY TO
>>>>> INFLUENCE THE SELECTION OF CANDIDATES
>>>>> OF ANOTHER PARTY.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion, those are the messages that need to be presented
>>>>> and placed right at the top under the red circle.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rest can be backup information.
>>>>> I would also note that incumbents get reelected with or without
>>>>> open primaries.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to ask once again, how does the information on the
>>>>> current version work to sway the voters to vote no on Prop 14?
>>>>>
>>>>> The deadline should be Sunday or Monday to allow time for
>>>>> production prior to the tabling events next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Doyle _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
> 
> 

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