[GPSCC-chat] comments on bookmark
spencerg
spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
Mon Apr 26 18:58:37 PDT 2010
Hi, Tian:
How many would you like, on what kind of paper?
I can produce some on cheap, plain white paper with my color
inkjet printer and 13 inch square paper trimmer. If you want higher
class card stock, I can provide a master for someone else to do that.
I plan to bring some to the Green meeting May 5, a week from
Wednesday.
Best Wishes,
Spencer
On 4/26/2010 1:49 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
> I'm thinking the thing to do is print some of them up and see if they
> work while tabling. What's the problem with that?
>
> Tian
>
> spencerg wrote:
>
>> Hello, All:
>>
>>
>> I produced a "No on 14" bookmark that seemed to have a consensus
>> and sent it April 16 to Jim Stauffer, Jim Doyle, Caroline Yacoub, Dale
>> Warner, Merriam Kathleen, Tian Harter and Werner Bloomberg.
>> Unfortunately, the template did not get turned into bookmarks, as I had
>> expected. Tian said they could have been used last Wednesday for Earth
>> Day. Last Friday, Caroline Yacoub asked me and three others to take
>> care of this. I spoke with Dale Saturday morning; he said he had not
>> received my email and did not have time then. I tried to call Merriam
>> and Andrea without success.
>>
>>
>> Might someone suggest a next step?
>> Best Wishes,
>> Spencer
>> H: 408-294-5779
>> M: 408-655-4567
>>
>>
>> #####################
>> Thanks, Jim, Jim, et al.:
>>
>>
>> I've revised the proposed bookmark based on the latest comments;
>> see the text copied below or attached. This incorporates Stauffer's
>> and Doyle's suggestions, I think, and I believe it reflects a consensus
>> of just about everything I've heard on this issue, especially lately.
>>
>>
>> DALE: When do you plan to produce these? Can you do it from the
>> attached? I think you should feel free to make copies from the attached
>> unless you hear something different before you have to go to press.
>>
>>
>> ALL:
>>
>>
>> From previous conversations, I believe Dale will probably do this
>> tomorrow, Saturday. Caroline said we need them Sunday.
>>
>>
>> We have space to add a few more words, but we are virtually out
>> of time.
>>
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>> Spencer
>> ############
>> CURRENT TEXT:
>>
>> No on Prop 14
>>
>> Title: “Elections. Increases Right to Participate in Primary Elections”
>>
>> Proposed system: Non-partisan, open primary. Only the two highest voted
>> candidates allowed into the general election. Theoretically, will elect
>> more moderates.
>>
>> ----------
>>
>> Opponents' analysis: Has been tried elsewhere and did not achieve goals.
>> Fosters incumbency, limits choice, eliminates third parties from general
>> election, and conflicts with other reforms. In Louisiana, only one
>> incumbent lost in 30 years (1978-2006). Only one incumbent lost when
>> Washington used it in 2008.
>>
>> More info: “California Proposition 14 (2010)” in ballotpedia.org,
>> StopTopTwo.org, or cagreens.org/erwg/ Prop14
>>
>>
>> ######################################
>>
>> On 4/15/2010 8:24 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I agree that a bookmark with references to web sites could be
>>> useful.
>>>
>>> But it needs a statement of advocacy for the GP position:
>>>
>>> Proposed system: Non-partisan, open primary. Only the two highest
>>> voted candidates allowed into the general election. Theoretically,
>>> will elect more moderates.
>>>
>>> Opponents' analysis: Has been tried elsewhere and did not achieve
>>> goals. Fosters incumbency, limits choice, and conflicts with other
>>> reforms.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/2010 9:00 PM, spencerg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Jim, et al.:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. If you're preaching to the choir, you don't need the appearance of
>>>> objectivity. However, our choir is quite small. To reach a larger
>>>> audience, we need to appear more rational than the "Yes on 14" folks.
>>>> They can buy votes, we afford to play that game.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Many people who won't take a quarter sheet will take a bookmark.
>>>> Therefore, a decision to not offer a bookmark is a decision to say
>>>> nothing to those who would take a bookmark but not a quarter sheet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. We can get a headline on a bookmark and follow with references to one
>>>> or more web sites. We can have a little more than that but not much
>>>> more. What do you think about following Tian's "No 14" art with Jim
>>>> Doyle's text and something like, "More Info: 'StopTopTwo.org',
>>>> 'cagreens.org/erwg/Prop14', and 'California Proposition 14, 2010' in
>>>> 'ballotpedia.org'. People like me will not be swayed by 'StopTopTwo.org'
>>>> nor by 'cagreens.org/erwg/Prop14', but will find 'ballotpedia.org'
>>>> persuasive. And it all fits handily on a bookmark. You can delete the
>>>> reference to 'ballotpedia.org' if you want. I think that would lessen
>>>> your impact, but not as much as not producing a bookmark at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2010 6:47 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim makes valid points about what voters want from the GP, which is an
>>>>> opinion on why they should or shouldn't support an issue. They're not
>>>>> looking for neutral information, they're looking for a rational
>>>>> argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest, I'm not sure the bookmark format works for this.
>>>>> Changing to a new type of Primary is a complex issue that's difficult
>>>>> to explain on something as small as a bookmark. Has anyone looked at
>>>>> the 1/4-sheet handout on the GPCA web site? I think that's about as
>>>>> small as you can get on this topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/14/2010 4:36 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bookmark, or any other material, needs to have a punch line
>>>>>> and a reason. The red circle is an exceellent eye catcher and the next
>>>>>> two sentences - in bold face below - can be read in a matter of
>>>>>> seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VOTE NO ON PROP 14
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BECAUSE IT EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATES
>>>>>> THIRD PARTIES FROM THE GENERAL ELECTION
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> ALLOWS PARTISANS OF ONE PARTY TO
>>>>>> INFLUENCE THE SELECTION OF CANDIDATES
>>>>>> OF ANOTHER PARTY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion, those are the messages that need to be presented
>>>>>> and placed right at the top under the red circle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest can be backup information.
>>>>>> I would also note that incumbents get reelected with or without
>>>>>> open primaries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to ask once again, how does the information on the
>>>>>> current version work to sway the voters to vote no on Prop 14?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The deadline should be Sunday or Monday to allow time for
>>>>>> production prior to the tabling events next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Doyle _______________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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