[GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend and the Tea Party

[John Thielking]

My objection is that we are even considering a Constitutional Amendment that includes the third point in the proposed amendment.  Such an amendment would allow local fiefdoms to write their own constitution and the national constitution could become largely irrelevant.  This is a bludgeon to fix the problems caused by NAFTA when a scalpel is what is needed.


From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
To: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend and the Tea Party


I think your first objection is why we are going for a constitutional amendment.



From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>; Post South SF Bay discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Fri, August 26, 2011 10:53:00 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend and the Tea Party


I don't like the part of the move to amend that includes giving more local control to cities and states. This would open the door for going backwards on civil rights (Roe V Wade, Immigration, Desegregation) because after the amendment is passed every little fiefdom will then adopt their own version of civil rights law.  If local control of such laws is upheld, we will end up with an avalanche of ALEC sponsored local legislation that will set us back a century or more.  Not all national laws are bad or sponsored by corporations and we should remember that.  Getting the Tea Party involved is bad for the same reason. They will surely push the local control amendment to further their own agenda. The first two points to amend are good and we should keep those.  Keep in mind that calling a constitutional convention in our current political climate is highly dangerous because the corporations will surely hijack it for their own ends, negating any good
 things we might try to introduce. Good luck.
 
John Thielking

From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: Post South SF Bay discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:43 PM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend and the Tea Party


Hello, All:  


      The Tea Party Patriots, Inc. [ a social welfare organization organized under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code] distributed an announcement for the August 12 Move to Amend NY Tour event in Endicott, NY (www.teapartypatriots.org/BlogPostView.aspx?id=d57555fb-c40b-4124-9f38-4866368f4f7f).  The announcement says, "Information will be provided about the issue and facilitate a discussion about local action in your area and in communities across the United States to win the amendment campaign through grassroots mobilization."  


      One blogger claims that Move To Amend leader David 'Cobb is crossing ideological lines by teaming up with Tea Party members to make this "move" a reality.'   (http://gdaeman.blogspot.com/2010/01/move-to-amend.html)  


      I suggest we try to contact a local Tea Party group to see if they are interested in supporting in some way the Sept. 12 event.  The Koch brothers, who reportedly are providing most of the financing for the Tea Party, might not support Move To Amend, though I would not rule that out either.  However if half the audience on Sept. 12 is from the Tea Party, I think most would support the idea.  If some corporation pays someone to try to disrupt the event, it could backfire on them.  


      Spencer 



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