[GPSCC-chat] I Now Have 2 Community Pages On Facebook
Spencer Graves
spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
Tue Jan 3 22:52:38 PST 2012
On 1/3/2012 10:02 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> It might keep them from buying Congress, but it can't keep them from
> buying the media.
Correct. However, if we can get control of congress, we can
initiate a new trust busting era like that of Teddy Roosevelt. To get
control of congress, a critical mass of the electorate will need to
substantially reduce the time they spend with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox.
If that seriously starts to happen, the media will be forced to offer
more of what the public actually wants in order to retain their
dwindling audience: Advertising rates are set based on the size and
characteristics of their audience. If the media lose half of the top
10% opinion leaders, it could reduce their revenue by 15%, because that
group has on average more money and buys more stuff. :-)
Spencer
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> *To:* Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
> *Cc:* John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>;
> "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> *Sent:* Tue, January 3, 2012 9:48:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [GPSCC-chat] I Now Have 2 Community Pages On Facebook
>
> On 1/3/2012 9:40 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> So Spencer, you don't really believe that the amendment, as it now
>> stands, would hurt small business? I don't have much expertise in the
>> business world, but I can't read it and feel sure about that.
>
>
> I think the net impact will more likely be positive. Major
> corporations today provide the money that elect the politicians, who
> then spend a substantial portion of their time trying to enact
> verbiage written by lobbyists for their major contributors. This
> would not work if a critical mass of the electorate paid directly for
> serious investigative journalism that would tell them in more detail
> how this works and would make it clearer to the electorate which
> candidates would actually legislate in the interest of the bottom
> 99%. The business model of the commercial media is selling behavior
> change in their audience to advertisers. The 1% does not what the
> public to know exactly the many ways in which they get welfare, and
> they can retaliate against honestly liberal media. They know they do
> not need to feed the mouth that bites them.
>
>
> I'd be surprised if passing that amendment would have an
> immediate, dramatic effect. However, it would make it more difficult
> for the 1% to buy congress and continue the current massive transfers
> of wealth from the 99% to the 1%.
>
>
> Spencer
>
>
>> Caroline
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>> *To:* John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>> *Sent:* Tue, January 3, 2012 9:33:32 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [GPSCC-chat] I Now Have 2 Community Pages On Facebook
>>
>> Hi, John, et al.:
>>
>>
>> It is in the best short term interest of the venal 1% to claim
>> that repealing corporate personhood would hurt small business. I
>> don't know if that is what is happening, but I would expect that
>> Citizens United and similar organizations would be paying people to
>> write messages on Facebook with claims like, ""SOPA would deprive
>> small businesses (ie web sites) of their property (their domain names
>> and access to their sites) without due process". Big money in
>> politics today is often spent (a) doing focus groups to find out what
>> kinds of arguments against it resonate with people, (b) following
>> that with sample surveys to pick the strongest of several likely
>> candidates, then (c) circulating that message in a variety of ways,
>> often concealing the source.
>>
>>
>> The concerns about SOPA and NDAA are real, but I the primary
>> impact on small business I see from repeal of corporate personhood is
>> that it would deprive the 1% of certain tools they now use to
>> increase their wealth and power at the expense of small businesses.
>>
>>
>> (more on your Facebook page citing research that social
>> mobility is lower in the US, where the power of corporations has
>> grown substantially over the past 125 years, than in much of Europe,
>> which reportedly does not have corporate personhood.)
>>
>>
>> Spencer Graves
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/2012 8:44 AM, John Thielking wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>> I now have two community pages on Facebook which may be
>>> of interest to you. Check them out if you like/if you
>>> have time.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> John Thielking
>>> Small Businesses Are People Too
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Small-Businesses-Are-People-Too/169333889834098>
>>>
>>>
>>> A prime example of the contradictions within the
>>> movement and the need to think over carefully the MTA
>>> Section 1 is the case of the Stop Online Piracy Act
>>> (SOPA). SOPA would deprive small businesses (ie web
>>> sites) of their property (their domain names and access
>>> to their sites) without due process (big businesses
>>> could merely petition a judge claiming violations of
>>> copyright and the sites would be shut down for a minimum
>>> of 5 days before a hearing could be held to present
>>> evidence). Some in the Occupy movement are busy
>>> protesting this unconstitutional move by Congress, while
>>> at the same time pushing for passage of MTA Section 1
>>> which would make their claims of unconstitutionality of
>>> SOPA moot. So which is it? Do you support rights for
>>> small businesses or don't you?
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>>
>>> Peacemovies.com
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Peacemoviescom/253761754669963>
>>>
>>>
>>> The final post for 2011: Go to
>>> www.peacemovies.com/offhollywood.html
>>> <http://www.peacemovies.com/offhollywood.html> for a
>>> quick peek at the possibilities of legally streaming
>>> content for "free" that is often of higher quality, more
>>> original and almost always less violent than the typical
>>> Hollywood fare. If you like what you just streamed,
>>> please donate generously to the site that provided the
>>> content. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Peacemovies.com: The Off-Hollywood Page
>>> <http://www.peacemovies.com/offhollywood.html>
>>> www.peacemovies.com <http://www.peacemovies.com/>
>>> non-violent movies, family entertainment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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