[GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D

Mon Oct 1 21:12:16 PDT 2012

On 10/1/2012 8:49 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> What's the threshold for the vote?  Do you need all 5 or is 4
> enough?


       Great question.  There may be official rules, but I don't know 
them.  For the sake of expediency, I've felt that a majority of the 
County Council supporting something with no known opposition should be 
enough.  If there is opposition, then we should revert to the 
traditional Green consensus rule.  Thus, 3 votes for and 2 abstentions 
(or not yet replying) should be enough with something working against a 
deadline.  With 4 votes for and 1 against, I would want the 4 to 
reconsider, per the standard Green consensus rule.


       Beyond that, I exercise my vote with sensitivity to how the 
membership in general is likely to react to a particular issue. This 
issue was discussed first only among the County Council.  I forwarded it 
to GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> precisely so we could get a 
broader discussion of the issue:  I didn't want to make this decision in 
secret.  If others feel the Santa Clara Greens should NOT endorse 
Measure D, I want to hear their concerns before John has to print his 
newsletter.  I'm willing to change my vote and state that we do not have 
a consensus if we found substantive opposition within the Green Party 
membership.  For Measure D, I do not anticipate such, which is part of 
why I so easily endorsed it.


       Thanks for the question.  If you have more to add, please let me 
know.


       Spencer

>
> Gerry
>
>
> Spencer Graves wrote:
>> Hello, All:
>>
>>
>>        John reminded us of San Jose City Measure D to raise the minimum
>> wage to $10 per hour.  So far, 3 of the 5 members of the County Council
>> have approved supporting Measure D.  The other 2 have so far not 
>> responded.
>>
>>
>>        John needs to go to press tomorrow with his Peace Movies
>> Newsletter, and wants to announce Green Party support for Measure D.
>> Therefore, I officially declare that the Santa Clara Greens are
>> supporting Measure D -- unless we hear substantive arguments against it
>> in the next few hours;  please excuse the short notice.
>>
>>
>> JOHN:
>>
>>
>>        Thanks for your work on this.
>>
>>
>>        Could I ask you to do one more thing after you go to press with
>> your newsletter:  Tell me how you want our web site modified to reflect
>> this.
>>
>>
>>        Thanks,
>>        Spencer
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/2012 7:14 PM, John Thielking wrote:
>>> Spencer,
>>> I have just now read the proposition language, I have seen the
>>> arguments against it.  They claim that it may cost the city $600,000
>>> (for enforcement) and then there are the unsubstantiated claims that
>>> paying workers more will result in businesses having reduced operating
>>> hours or other undesirable economic impacts.  As I told the No On D
>>> people, if I could pay my workers $10 per hour in 2006 (the equivalent
>>> of $12.30 per hour in 2013 @ 3% inflation per year), you can too (pay
>>> your workers $10 per hour in 2013).
>>> The city attorney's analysis is available here
>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_d_ia.pdf(but 
>>>
>>> the link to the text of measure D is broken)
>>> The complete text of the measure is located here:
>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_dord.pdf 
>>>
>>> Arguments for and against are located here:
>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measures.pdf 
>>>
>>> John Thielking
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Spencer Graves /<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>/*
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>>>     Subject: Re: GP SCC position on Measure D
>>>     To: mkmusic03 at aol.com
>>>     Cc: pagesincolor at yahoo.com, j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net,
>>>     rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com
>>>     Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 1:29 PM
>>>
>>>     John:
>>>
>>>
>>>           Have you read the details, at least the rationale of those
>>>     opposed?
>>>
>>>
>>>           Assuming the text actually supports the title, I agree that
>>>     the Green Party of Santa Clara County would support Measure D.  If
>>>     someone claims the text contradicts and negates the title, I would
>>>     want to reconsider.  Unless either Jim or Drew produce a reason to
>>>     oppose this, I think we can count it as unanimous:  3 for, 2 no
>>>     replies sounds like unanimity with a quorum.
>>>
>>>
>>>           Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 10/1/2012 1:14 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com
>>> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mkmusic03@aol.com>
>>>     wrote:
>>>>     Hi County Council,
>>>>     I agree with John on Measure D and I vote for our GPSCC endorsing
>>>>     the Measure.
>>>>     Thanks, John, for bringing it to our attention and for putting
>>>>     our endorsement in your newsletter.
>>>>     Merriam
>>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>>     From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>>>> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pagesincolor@yahoo.com>
>>>>     To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>>> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>;
>>>>     merriam k <mkmusic03 at aol.com>
>>>> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mkmusic03@aol.com>
>>>>     Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:03 am
>>>>     Subject: GP SCC position on Measure D
>>>>
>>>>     I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum
>>>>     wage being set at $10 per hour.  As I stated on the No On D
>>>>     facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and
>>>>     paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had
>>>>     employees).  What say you, GP county council members? My
>>>>     newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to
>>>>     have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so
>>>>     I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other
>>>>     ballot propositions. Thanks.
>>>>     John Thielking
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