[GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D
Valerie D. Face
vdf at juno.com
Tue Oct 2 21:13:10 PDT 2012
Hi folks,
Our bylaws, at http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/bylaws.shtml, state the following:
"2.1.5 The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its members, may authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa Clara County as an endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement consistent with the principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform if time issues make the decision necessary before it can be brought before the next general meeting. Any such County Council authorization shall be reported to those present at the next monthly meeting. [Adopted July 1, 2003]2.1.5 The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its members, may authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa Clara County as an endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement consistent with the principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform if time issues make the decision necessary before it can be brought before the next general meeting. Any such County Council authorization shall be reported to those present at the next monthly meeting. [Adopted July 1, 2003]"
Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Valerie
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---------- Original Message ----------
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:12:16 -0700
From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
Cc: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D
On 10/1/2012 8:49 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> What's the threshold for the vote? Do you need all 5 or is 4
> enough?
Great question. There may be official rules, but I don't know
them. For the sake of expediency, I've felt that a majority of the
County Council supporting something with no known opposition should be
enough. If there is opposition, then we should revert to the
traditional Green consensus rule. Thus, 3 votes for and 2 abstentions
(or not yet replying) should be enough with something working against a
deadline. With 4 votes for and 1 against, I would want the 4 to
reconsider, per the standard Green consensus rule.
Beyond that, I exercise my vote with sensitivity to how the
membership in general is likely to react to a particular issue. This
issue was discussed first only among the County Council. I forwarded it
to GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> precisely so we could get a
broader discussion of the issue: I didn't want to make this decision in
secret. If others feel the Santa Clara Greens should NOT endorse
Measure D, I want to hear their concerns before John has to print his
newsletter. I'm willing to change my vote and state that we do not have
a consensus if we found substantive opposition within the Green Party
membership. For Measure D, I do not anticipate such, which is part of
why I so easily endorsed it.
Thanks for the question. If you have more to add, please let me
know.
Spencer
>
> Gerry
>
>
> Spencer Graves wrote:
>> Hello, All:
>>
>>
>> John reminded us of San Jose City Measure D to raise the minimum
>> wage to $10 per hour. So far, 3 of the 5 members of the County Council
>> have approved supporting Measure D. The other 2 have so far not
>> responded.
>>
>>
>> John needs to go to press tomorrow with his Peace Movies
>> Newsletter, and wants to announce Green Party support for Measure D.
>> Therefore, I officially declare that the Santa Clara Greens are
>> supporting Measure D -- unless we hear substantive arguments against it
>> in the next few hours; please excuse the short notice.
>>
>>
>> JOHN:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your work on this.
>>
>>
>> Could I ask you to do one more thing after you go to press with
>> your newsletter: Tell me how you want our web site modified to reflect
>> this.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/2012 7:14 PM, John Thielking wrote:
>>> Spencer,
>>> I have just now read the proposition language, I have seen the
>>> arguments against it. They claim that it may cost the city $600,000
>>> (for enforcement) and then there are the unsubstantiated claims that
>>> paying workers more will result in businesses having reduced operating
>>> hours or other undesirable economic impacts. As I told the No On D
>>> people, if I could pay my workers $10 per hour in 2006 (the equivalent
>>> of $12.30 per hour in 2013 @ 3% inflation per year), you can too (pay
>>> your workers $10 per hour in 2013).
>>> The city attorney's analysis is available here
>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_d_ia.pdf(but
>>>
>>> the link to the text of measure D is broken)
>>> The complete text of the measure is located here:
>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_dord.pdf
>>>
>>> Arguments for and against are located here:
>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measures.pdf
>>>
>>> John Thielking
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Spencer Graves /<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>/*
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>>> Subject: Re: GP SCC position on Measure D
>>> To: mkmusic03 at aol.com
>>> Cc: pagesincolor at yahoo.com, j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net,
>>> rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com
>>> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 1:29 PM
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you read the details, at least the rationale of those
>>> opposed?
>>>
>>>
>>> Assuming the text actually supports the title, I agree that
>>> the Green Party of Santa Clara County would support Measure D. If
>>> someone claims the text contradicts and negates the title, I would
>>> want to reconsider. Unless either Jim or Drew produce a reason to
>>> oppose this, I think we can count it as unanimous: 3 for, 2 no
>>> replies sounds like unanimity with a quorum.
>>>
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/1/2012 1:14 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com
>>> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mkmusic03@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi County Council,
>>>> I agree with John on Measure D and I vote for our GPSCC endorsing
>>>> the Measure.
>>>> Thanks, John, for bringing it to our attention and for putting
>>>> our endorsement in your newsletter.
>>>> Merriam
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>>>> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pagesincolor@yahoo.com>
>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>>> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>;
>>>> merriam k <mkmusic03 at aol.com>
>>>> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mkmusic03@aol.com>
>>>> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:03 am
>>>> Subject: GP SCC position on Measure D
>>>>
>>>> I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum
>>>> wage being set at $10 per hour. As I stated on the No On D
>>>> facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and
>>>> paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had
>>>> employees). What say you, GP county council members? My
>>>> newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to
>>>> have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so
>>>> I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other
>>>> ballot propositions. Thanks.
>>>> John Thielking
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