[GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes?

Spencer Graves spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
Tue Oct 9 20:46:54 PDT 2012


On 10/9/2012 6:19 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> Here's the sequence:
> - Mike Feinstein sent an email to the GPCA forum list
> - I forwarded it to the GPSCC list
> - Fred replied suggesting that Valerie knew more
> - Valerie made a short reply
> - Spencer made a lengthy reply with four numbered paragraphs,
>   and a bottom line paragraph
> - you replied
> - now I am replying


sg-and I sent my lengthy reply to Mike Feinstein (without bothering this 
list with a second copy of what I already sent).

>
> Does that help?
>
> Gerry
>
>
> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> I'm confused. Who wrote this?
>> Caroline
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 10/8/12, Spencer Graves /<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>/* 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has
>>     worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes?
>>     To: "Valerie D. Face" <vdf at juno.com>
>>     Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>     Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 7:44 PM
>>
>>     Hi, All:
>>
>>
>>     On 10/8/2012 6:23 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote:
>>      > Hi folks,
>>      >
>>      > I have been somewhat involved, but really only sporadically over
>>     the last few years (depending on job commitments, other issues I'm
>>     working on and such).  I wouldn't be surprised if there are other
>>     Greens in the state who have been more involved, and for more years.
>>
>>
>>            I reviewed the literature on this in the 1970s.  I have not
>>     followed the more recent developments in detail, but I think the
>>     following is clear:
>>
>>
>>                  (1) Some studies have found a modest deterrent effect
>>     from capital punishment.  Others have found no statistically
>>     significant effect.  I'd be surprised if there were any serious
>>     studies that found a large deterrent effect for capital punishment.
>>
>>
>>                  (2) There are reasonable numbers of former death row
>>     inmates walking free today, because subsequent investigative
>>     journalists found someone else who admitted to the crime. Other
>>     former death row inmates are free today, because other (e.g., DNA)
>>     evidence came to light to establish they were wrongly convicted. The
>>     record of these and other cases make it fairly clear that many
>>     convictions (including in capital cases) have been obtained on the
>>     basis of coerced perjury and falsified evidence.
>>
>>
>>                  (3) The US today has the largest prison population per
>>     capital in the world.  The primary contributor to the increase in
>>     the punitive nature of US law has been changes in the structure of
>>     the mainstream commercial media:  The increased concentration of
>>     ownership of the media has meant that commercial media compete less
>>     on content -- especially news content.  This has enable a drastic
>>     reduction in money spent on investigative journalism.  The space has
>>     been filled by increased reliance on the "police blotter". Reporting
>>     on elite crimes is generally a losing proposition, because the
>>     commercial media company could easily lose advertising that would
>>     not likely be recouped by increase in the size of the audience --
>>     and they could be sued for libel.  However, if the alleged
>>     perpetrator is poor, the media can disseminate whatever they want,
>>     because they won't lose any advertising, and the alleged perpetrator
>>     will not likely sue for libel.  Also, the best data on crime in the
>>     US is the National Victimization Survey:  This is a random sample
>>     survey asking people about whether they have been a victim of
>>     crime.  Changes in law and incarceration rates are not correlated
>>     with actual victimization rates but are correlated with changes in
>>     the structure of the ownership of the media and with the
>>     accompanying editorial policy.  (Potter and Kappeler 1998
>>     Constructing Crime:  Perspectives on Making News and Social
>>     Problems, Waveland Pr.).  It's also known that states and nations
>>     with high rates of abortion have falling crime rates 15 - 20 years
>>     later:  States with very restrictive abortion laws have higher crime
>>     rates 15 - 20 years later because the immature girls who might
>>     otherwise abort don't do a very good job of parenting (Levitt and
>>     Dubner 2005 Freakonomics, Harper Torch, pp. 141-142).
>>
>>
>>                  (4) The primary use of capital punishment from the dawn
>>     of human history to the present day has been political. Jesus of
>>     Nazareth was tried, convicted and lawfully executed.  In his day,
>>     the established government had reason to be concerned about
>>     potential attacks on authority.  A group know as the Zealots were
>>     actively assassinating governmental officials (Wikipedia,
>>     "Zealotry").  Capital punishment has no more justification today
>>     than it did 2,000 years ago.
>>
>>
>>     BOTTOM LINE:  Changes in public opinion and law on many issues
>>     including crime are driven first and foremost by changes in the
>>     editorial policies of the media.  Changes in incarcerations and
>>     capital punishment are not correlated with actual crime rates.
>>
>>
>>            Spencer
>>
>>
>>     p.s. If you like this, I can polish it a bit more, update my
>>     literature search, etc.  See the Wikipedia article on "Capital
>>     Punishment".
>>      >
>>      > Best wishes,
>>      > Valerie
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > ~*~*~*~
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>>      >
>>      >
>>      > ---------- Original Message ----------
>>      > From: fred Duperrault <fredlois2 at gmail.com
>> <http://us.mc1813.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fredlois2@gmail.com>>
>>      > To: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net
>> <http://us.mc1813.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gerrygras@earthlink.net>>
>>      > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:08:29 -0700
>>      > Cc: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> <http://us.mc1813.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>>
>>      > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has
>>     worked most
>>      >     on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes?
>>      >
>>      > I think Valerie Face has focused on the "death penalty" issue 
>> more
>>      > than anyone.
>>      >
>>      > Fred D.
>>      >
>>      > On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
>>      >
>>      >>
>>      >> -------- Original Message --------
>>      >> Subject: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on 
>> anti-death
>>      >> penalty and on amend three strikes?
>>      >> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:46:38 -0700
>>      >> From: Mike Feinstein <mfeinstein at feinstein.org
>> <http://us.mc1813.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mfeinstein@feinstein.org>>
>>      >> To: GPCA Forum <gpca-forum at cagreens.org
>> <http://us.mc1813.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gpca-forum@cagreens.org>>
>>      >>
>>      >> The state party is putting together press releases on Props 34
>>     and 36
>>      >> and would like to quote people who have been active on these 
>> issues
>>      >> within our party for a long time
>>      >>
>>      >> Prop 34 - end death penalty
>>      >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/34
>>      >>
>>      >> Prop 36 - amend three strikes
>>      >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/36
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>>      >>
>>
>>     -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
>>     President and Chief Technology Officer
>>     Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
>>     751 Emerson Ct.
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