[GPSCC-chat] Occupy SJ Plans For Sept 17th?

Spencer Graves spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
Mon Sep 17 12:19:17 PDT 2012


Occupy San José has NOT made any plans for today.  We have a committee 
working to organize something for Oct. 6.  If you'd like to help with 
that, please let me know;  I can help you contact the people organizing 
that.  Spencer


On 9/17/2012 12:14 PM, John Thielking wrote:
> My current plan is to go to City Hall at 3PM-5PM today.  Anyone else 
> who wants to join me is welcome.
> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/16/12, John Thielking /<pagesincolor at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>     Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy SJ Plans For Sept 17th?
>     To: "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>     Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>     Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 7:31 PM
>
>     Does Occupy SJ have anything planned for Sept 17th?  I looked on
>     all of their available web pages and I didn't see anything except
>     the Sept 15th foreclosure summit.  I suppose I will wander down to
>     City Hall anyway sometime tomorrow to hold up my signs about
>     derivatives and free education.
>     John Thielking
>
>     --- On *Sun, 9/16/12, Spencer Graves
>     /<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>         From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>         Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Hearing re. a court challenge in SF on
>         Monday morning, September 17
>         To: "Gerry Gras" <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
>         Cc: "GPSCC" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>         Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 11:23 AM
>
>         Hi, Gerry, et al.:
>
>
>               I forwarded Gerry's email to the Occupy San José list. 
>         Dave Kadlecek
>         replied that at most two of the plaintiffs hit with this
>         quarter-million
>         dollar judgment were Greens and gave links to more info.  I
>         modified the
>         Wikipedia article on that, and I'm taking a proposal on it to
>         the Occupy
>         San José General assembly at noon today.
>
>
>               Below please see Dave's comments and my reply.
>
>
>               Spencer
>
>
>         ##############################
>
>
>         Hi, Dave, et al.:
>
>
>                Thanks for the corrections AND the links to further
>         information.
>           Using the links, I updated the Wikipedia article on "California
>         Proposition 14 (2010)" to summarize the information in those
>         two links.
>           If you have time to review that article and see other
>         changes that you
>         feel should be made, please let me know. (Note, however, that
>         Wikipedia
>         requires "a neutral point of view" and solid sources for what
>         is stated
>         there.)
>
>
>                Next:  Revise my proposal for today's General Assembly,
>         print,
>         and take them there by noon.
>
>
>                Best Wishes,
>                Spencer
>
>
>         On 9/16/2012 9:09 AM, Dave Kadlecek wrote:
>         > Spencer and all,
>         >
>         > I also urge those of you who can make it to the court
>         hearing in San
>         > Francisco tomorrow to go, but I have a correction to
>         Spencer's email and
>         > a bit of elaboration.
>         >
>         > The lawsuit (Field v. Bowen) wasn't by "6 Green Party
>         activists", but by
>         > six people, at least four of whom are not Greens (Richard
>         Winger, the
>         > publisher of Ballot Access News, is a Libertarian; Steve
>         Chessin, the
>         > chair of Californians for Electoral Reform, is a Democrat;
>         and Rodney
>         > Martin (Reform Party) and Jeff Mackler (Socialist Action)
>         are with
>         > non-ballot qualified parties).
>         >
>         > As you may remember, Prop 14 brought about the "top two"
>         primary system,
>         > first implemented state-wide this year, which is why there
>         will be only
>         > two candidates on the ballot (and no write-in space) in
>         every race for
>         > U.S. Congress (both House and Senate) and the state
>         legislature (both
>         > State Senate and Assembly) this November. If you don't like
>         Dianne
>         > Feinstein and don't want to vote for her Republican
>         opponent, your only
>         > choice this November will be to abstain; you can't vote for
>         a third
>         > party candidate, because none will be on the ballot, and you
>         can't even
>         > write in "Mickey Mouse" because there won't be a write-in
>         space for U.S.
>         > Senate.
>         >
>         > The lawsuit directly challenged two specific aspects of SB
>         6, the bill
>         > that implemented Prop 14 (which was a constitutional
>         amendment): one
>         > that said candidates from non-ballot qualified parties
>         couldn't have
>         > their party listed on the ballot, and another that said
>         write-in votes
>         > could not be counted in general elections. The judge ruled
>         against the
>         > plaintiffs in lower court, and the legislature changed the
>         relevant law
>         > (basically to put into the state Elections Code the
>         interpretations of
>         > ambiguous language the Secretary of State had made) while
>         appeals were
>         > in process.
>         >
>         > There were two sets of lawyers on the other side in the
>         case, one from
>         > the Attorney General's office, representing the Secretary of
>         State (the
>         > defendant), and the other from the Nielsen Merksamer law firm
>         > representing Abel Maldonado (who got it on the ballot by
>         extorting the
>         > Democrats in the legislature for his vote on the 2009 budget
>         deal) and
>         > the other sponsors of Prop 14. For those who aren't
>         otherwise aware, the
>         > Nielsen Merksamer law firm is based in San Rafael, with a
>         major part of
>         > their practice representing landlords challenging local rent
>         control
>         > laws and other tenant protections; they used to represent
>         the state
>         > Republican Party when that party's apparatus was controlled
>         primarily by
>         > business interests, but when the social conservative types
>         (i.e., the
>         > ones who really are vehemently anti-gay, anti-choice and
>         anti-immigrant,
>         > as opposed to just using those issues to win votes) took
>         over the party
>         > organization, they switched law firms. It's the Nielsen
>         Merksamer
>         > lawyers who were awarded a quarter million dollars. They
>         didn't trust
>         > the state's lawyers to properly defend the ballot measure
>         they backed,
>         > but instead of going after the state for attorney's fees,
>         they went
>         > after the plaintiffs who had sued the state.
>         >
>         > For more information, see
>         >
>         "http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/15/some-supporters-of-top-two-open-primary-take-punitive-action-to-crush-opponents-with-crippling-legal-fees/"
>         >
>         > and "http://electionlawblog.org/?p=38148".
>         >
>         > /Dave Kadlecek
>         >
>         >
>         > Spencer Graves wrote:
>         >
>         >> Hello, All:
>         >>
>         >>       The Green party is asking for support against an
>         outrageous
>         >> judgment in court in San Francisco at Larkin and McAllister
>         next
>         >> Monday at 10:45 AM for an 11 AM hearing.  The 6 Green Party
>         activists
>         >> who challenged Prop 14 (the top two primary system) have
>         been ordered
>         >> to pay $243,500 to the attorneys representing the top two
>         system.
>         >> Prop 14 effectively eliminates third parties from the general
>         >> election, except in rare cases where a third party
>         candidate actually
>         >> gets in the top two.  Other states that have this have seen
>         a decline
>         >> in membership of third parties.
>         >>
>         >>       This punitive settlement may not stop here, because
>         the same
>         >> judge who assessed this punitive settlement will also hear the
>         >> request request for reconsideration, even though normal court
>         >> procedures require a different judge.  Moreover, this
>         hearing was
>         >> moved up from October to tomorrow, Monday, September 17.  The
>         >> attorney challenging this decision is concerned that he may
>         be levied
>         >> a similar punitive judgment for daring to challenge the
>         $243,500
>         >> settlement.  For more details, see below.
>         >>
>         >>       I believe this is an attack on democracy.  If you
>         agree and can
>         >> make it to court in San Francisco next Monday, I encourage
>         you to do so.
>         >>
>         >>       Thanks,
>         >>       Spencer
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> -------- Original Message --------
>         >> Subject:     Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Need Bay
>         Area Greens
>         >> help in SF on Monday morning, September 17
>         >> Date:     Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:09:55 -0700
>         >> From:     Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gerrygras@earthlink.net>>
>         >> To:     GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> I am planning on going to court Monday.
>         >>
>         >> Gerry
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> Gerry Gras wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>> I think this is pretty serious.  I hope Richard
>         >>> Winger (Ballot Access News) and the other 5 get
>         >>> plenty of help.
>         >>>
>         >>> For those who don't remember, Prop 14 is the one
>         >>> that gave us the top two primary system.
>         >>>
>         >>> Gerry
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> -------- Original Message --------
>         >>> Subject: [gpca-forum] Need Bay Area Greens help in SF on
>         Monday
>         >>> morning,
>         >>> September 17
>         >>> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:39:49 -0700
>         >>> From: Mike Feinstein <mfeinstein at feinstein.org
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mfeinstein@feinstein.org>>
>         >>> To: GPCA Forum <gpca-forum at cagreens.org
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gpca-forum@cagreens.org>>
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> From: Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com>>
>         >>> Date: September 14, 2012 8:19:06 PM PDT
>         >>> To: mfeinstein at feinstein.org
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mfeinstein@feinstein.org>
>         >>> Subject: I badly hope to obtain help from everyone on this
>         list
>         >>> Reply-To: richardwinger at yahoo.com
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com>
>         >>>
>         >>> Dear Mike, if you could pass this on to any California
>         Green Party
>         >>> activists list, I would sure appreciate it.  Obviously it
>         would be
>         >>> most useful sent to bay area Greens.
>         >>>
>         >>> Richard Winger
>         >>> 415-922-9779
>         >>> PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
>         >>>
>         >>> --- On Fri, 9/14/12, Richard Winger
>         <richardwinger at yahoo.com
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com>>
>         wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>> From: Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com>>
>         >>> Subject: I badly hope to obtain help from everyone on this
>         list
>         >>> To: lpsf-activists at yahoogroups.com
>         <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com>
>         >>> Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 8:13 PM
>         >>>
>         >>> Some of you know that on August 1, Judge Curtis Karnow
>         ruled that the
>         >>> six of us who challenged Prop. 14 in court, must pay
>         $243,500 to the
>         >>> attorneys who intervened in the case for Abel Maldonado
>         and other
>         >>> supporters of the top-two system.  We asked for
>         reconsideration.
>         >>>
>         >>> The attorney for the intervenors has arranged to have the
>         same judge
>         >>> hear the request for reconsideration, even though
>         according to the
>         >>> normal court procedures, we were supposed to have a
>         different judge.
>         >>> And he got the hearing moved up from October to Monday,
>         September 17,
>         >>> at 11 a.m.  Our attorney, Gautam Dutta, a young attorney
>         in Fremont,
>         >>> California, is afraid that this same judge is going to impose
>         >>> sanctions on him for even daring to ask for
>         reconsideration. The
>         >>> attorney for the other side is very cocky and we feel the only
>         >>> recourse is to try to have as many friends in court as
>         possible, so
>         >>> the judge sees that we have support.  Please, if you can
>         possibly come
>         >>> to court at Larkin and McAllister at 10:45 am Monday
>         morning, I would
>         >>> really appreciate it.  We can meet outside the courthouse.
>         Please let
>         >>> me know if you can come. Thank you very much.
>         >>>
>         >>> Richard Winger
>         >>> 415-922-9779
>         >>> PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
>
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Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San José, CA 95126
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