[GPSCC-chat] Occupy SJ Plans For Sept 17th?
Spencer Graves
spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
Mon Sep 17 12:19:17 PDT 2012
Occupy San José has NOT made any plans for today. We have a committee
working to organize something for Oct. 6. If you'd like to help with
that, please let me know; I can help you contact the people organizing
that. Spencer
On 9/17/2012 12:14 PM, John Thielking wrote:
> My current plan is to go to City Hall at 3PM-5PM today. Anyone else
> who wants to join me is welcome.
> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/16/12, John Thielking /<pagesincolor at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy SJ Plans For Sept 17th?
> To: "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 7:31 PM
>
> Does Occupy SJ have anything planned for Sept 17th? I looked on
> all of their available web pages and I didn't see anything except
> the Sept 15th foreclosure summit. I suppose I will wander down to
> City Hall anyway sometime tomorrow to hold up my signs about
> derivatives and free education.
> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/16/12, Spencer Graves
> /<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Hearing re. a court challenge in SF on
> Monday morning, September 17
> To: "Gerry Gras" <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "GPSCC" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 11:23 AM
>
> Hi, Gerry, et al.:
>
>
> I forwarded Gerry's email to the Occupy San José list.
> Dave Kadlecek
> replied that at most two of the plaintiffs hit with this
> quarter-million
> dollar judgment were Greens and gave links to more info. I
> modified the
> Wikipedia article on that, and I'm taking a proposal on it to
> the Occupy
> San José General assembly at noon today.
>
>
> Below please see Dave's comments and my reply.
>
>
> Spencer
>
>
> ##############################
>
>
> Hi, Dave, et al.:
>
>
> Thanks for the corrections AND the links to further
> information.
> Using the links, I updated the Wikipedia article on "California
> Proposition 14 (2010)" to summarize the information in those
> two links.
> If you have time to review that article and see other
> changes that you
> feel should be made, please let me know. (Note, however, that
> Wikipedia
> requires "a neutral point of view" and solid sources for what
> is stated
> there.)
>
>
> Next: Revise my proposal for today's General Assembly,
> print,
> and take them there by noon.
>
>
> Best Wishes,
> Spencer
>
>
> On 9/16/2012 9:09 AM, Dave Kadlecek wrote:
> > Spencer and all,
> >
> > I also urge those of you who can make it to the court
> hearing in San
> > Francisco tomorrow to go, but I have a correction to
> Spencer's email and
> > a bit of elaboration.
> >
> > The lawsuit (Field v. Bowen) wasn't by "6 Green Party
> activists", but by
> > six people, at least four of whom are not Greens (Richard
> Winger, the
> > publisher of Ballot Access News, is a Libertarian; Steve
> Chessin, the
> > chair of Californians for Electoral Reform, is a Democrat;
> and Rodney
> > Martin (Reform Party) and Jeff Mackler (Socialist Action)
> are with
> > non-ballot qualified parties).
> >
> > As you may remember, Prop 14 brought about the "top two"
> primary system,
> > first implemented state-wide this year, which is why there
> will be only
> > two candidates on the ballot (and no write-in space) in
> every race for
> > U.S. Congress (both House and Senate) and the state
> legislature (both
> > State Senate and Assembly) this November. If you don't like
> Dianne
> > Feinstein and don't want to vote for her Republican
> opponent, your only
> > choice this November will be to abstain; you can't vote for
> a third
> > party candidate, because none will be on the ballot, and you
> can't even
> > write in "Mickey Mouse" because there won't be a write-in
> space for U.S.
> > Senate.
> >
> > The lawsuit directly challenged two specific aspects of SB
> 6, the bill
> > that implemented Prop 14 (which was a constitutional
> amendment): one
> > that said candidates from non-ballot qualified parties
> couldn't have
> > their party listed on the ballot, and another that said
> write-in votes
> > could not be counted in general elections. The judge ruled
> against the
> > plaintiffs in lower court, and the legislature changed the
> relevant law
> > (basically to put into the state Elections Code the
> interpretations of
> > ambiguous language the Secretary of State had made) while
> appeals were
> > in process.
> >
> > There were two sets of lawyers on the other side in the
> case, one from
> > the Attorney General's office, representing the Secretary of
> State (the
> > defendant), and the other from the Nielsen Merksamer law firm
> > representing Abel Maldonado (who got it on the ballot by
> extorting the
> > Democrats in the legislature for his vote on the 2009 budget
> deal) and
> > the other sponsors of Prop 14. For those who aren't
> otherwise aware, the
> > Nielsen Merksamer law firm is based in San Rafael, with a
> major part of
> > their practice representing landlords challenging local rent
> control
> > laws and other tenant protections; they used to represent
> the state
> > Republican Party when that party's apparatus was controlled
> primarily by
> > business interests, but when the social conservative types
> (i.e., the
> > ones who really are vehemently anti-gay, anti-choice and
> anti-immigrant,
> > as opposed to just using those issues to win votes) took
> over the party
> > organization, they switched law firms. It's the Nielsen
> Merksamer
> > lawyers who were awarded a quarter million dollars. They
> didn't trust
> > the state's lawyers to properly defend the ballot measure
> they backed,
> > but instead of going after the state for attorney's fees,
> they went
> > after the plaintiffs who had sued the state.
> >
> > For more information, see
> >
> "http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/15/some-supporters-of-top-two-open-primary-take-punitive-action-to-crush-opponents-with-crippling-legal-fees/"
> >
> > and "http://electionlawblog.org/?p=38148".
> >
> > /Dave Kadlecek
> >
> >
> > Spencer Graves wrote:
> >
> >> Hello, All:
> >>
> >> The Green party is asking for support against an
> outrageous
> >> judgment in court in San Francisco at Larkin and McAllister
> next
> >> Monday at 10:45 AM for an 11 AM hearing. The 6 Green Party
> activists
> >> who challenged Prop 14 (the top two primary system) have
> been ordered
> >> to pay $243,500 to the attorneys representing the top two
> system.
> >> Prop 14 effectively eliminates third parties from the general
> >> election, except in rare cases where a third party
> candidate actually
> >> gets in the top two. Other states that have this have seen
> a decline
> >> in membership of third parties.
> >>
> >> This punitive settlement may not stop here, because
> the same
> >> judge who assessed this punitive settlement will also hear the
> >> request request for reconsideration, even though normal court
> >> procedures require a different judge. Moreover, this
> hearing was
> >> moved up from October to tomorrow, Monday, September 17. The
> >> attorney challenging this decision is concerned that he may
> be levied
> >> a similar punitive judgment for daring to challenge the
> $243,500
> >> settlement. For more details, see below.
> >>
> >> I believe this is an attack on democracy. If you
> agree and can
> >> make it to court in San Francisco next Monday, I encourage
> you to do so.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Spencer
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Need Bay
> Area Greens
> >> help in SF on Monday morning, September 17
> >> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:09:55 -0700
> >> From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gerrygras@earthlink.net>>
> >> To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am planning on going to court Monday.
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >>
> >> Gerry Gras wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think this is pretty serious. I hope Richard
> >>> Winger (Ballot Access News) and the other 5 get
> >>> plenty of help.
> >>>
> >>> For those who don't remember, Prop 14 is the one
> >>> that gave us the top two primary system.
> >>>
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> Subject: [gpca-forum] Need Bay Area Greens help in SF on
> Monday
> >>> morning,
> >>> September 17
> >>> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:39:49 -0700
> >>> From: Mike Feinstein <mfeinstein at feinstein.org
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mfeinstein@feinstein.org>>
> >>> To: GPCA Forum <gpca-forum at cagreens.org
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gpca-forum@cagreens.org>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com>>
> >>> Date: September 14, 2012 8:19:06 PM PDT
> >>> To: mfeinstein at feinstein.org
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mfeinstein@feinstein.org>
> >>> Subject: I badly hope to obtain help from everyone on this
> list
> >>> Reply-To: richardwinger at yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Mike, if you could pass this on to any California
> Green Party
> >>> activists list, I would sure appreciate it. Obviously it
> would be
> >>> most useful sent to bay area Greens.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Winger
> >>> 415-922-9779
> >>> PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 9/14/12, Richard Winger
> <richardwinger at yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Richard Winger <richardwinger at yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com>>
> >>> Subject: I badly hope to obtain help from everyone on this
> list
> >>> To: lpsf-activists at yahoogroups.com
> <http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 8:13 PM
> >>>
> >>> Some of you know that on August 1, Judge Curtis Karnow
> ruled that the
> >>> six of us who challenged Prop. 14 in court, must pay
> $243,500 to the
> >>> attorneys who intervened in the case for Abel Maldonado
> and other
> >>> supporters of the top-two system. We asked for
> reconsideration.
> >>>
> >>> The attorney for the intervenors has arranged to have the
> same judge
> >>> hear the request for reconsideration, even though
> according to the
> >>> normal court procedures, we were supposed to have a
> different judge.
> >>> And he got the hearing moved up from October to Monday,
> September 17,
> >>> at 11 a.m. Our attorney, Gautam Dutta, a young attorney
> in Fremont,
> >>> California, is afraid that this same judge is going to impose
> >>> sanctions on him for even daring to ask for
> reconsideration. The
> >>> attorney for the other side is very cocky and we feel the only
> >>> recourse is to try to have as many friends in court as
> possible, so
> >>> the judge sees that we have support. Please, if you can
> possibly come
> >>> to court at Larkin and McAllister at 10:45 am Monday
> morning, I would
> >>> really appreciate it. We can meet outside the courthouse.
> Please let
> >>> me know if you can come. Thank you very much.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Winger
> >>> 415-922-9779
> >>> PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147
>
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Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
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