[GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention

[Spencer Graves]

On 5/16/2013 2:43 PM, John Thielking wrote:
> Since both Drew and I are friends on Facebook, Drew could simply post 
> rebuttals on my page Small Businesses Are People Too. Then we can get 
> back to you with the results.  How about that instead?
>


       That works for me.  Thanks.  Spencer

> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/16/13, Spencer Graves /<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>/* 
> wrote:
>
>
>     From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>     Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
>     To: "Drew" <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>     Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 2:06 PM
>
>     Hi, Drew, John, et al.:
>
>
>     On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:
>>     If it is only about personalities (which this is not) I agree
>>     with this sentiment, however just as any false or harmful
>>     statement made in public against others it needs to be challenged
>>     also in public.
>
>
>           I see two problems here:
>
>
>                 1.  One persons "facts" are another's potentially
>     "false or harmful statements".
>
>
>                 2.  Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate. 
>     This is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same
>     thread in a list like this.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to
>     this thread other than to see that Drew and John each have strong
>     positions about something -- and the issues are easily
>     misunderstood, because an email thread like this is a very poor
>     tool for promoting understanding and reconciliation.
>
>
>           Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to
>     Wikiversity under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm
>     trying to start there
>     (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse)? In
>     this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a
>     table with three columns with titles something like "heterodox"
>     and "orthodox" with "research needed" between the two.  This would
>     allow each side to present their case with the supporting evidence
>     and the other to raise questions about the evidence.  With a
>     little luck, after some formal analysis and organization of
>     evidence, you can develop a consensus statement that could then be
>     reposted back to the group.
>
>
>           I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity
>     page for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia
>     markup language so the discussion is actually productive, and it
>     is easier to understand the different positions, the evidence
>     behind same, and how a consensus might be reached.
>
>
>           Spencer
>
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>>         *From:* Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>         <http://us.mc1229.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carolineyacoub@att.net>
>>         *To:* sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>         <http://us.mc1229.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
>>
>>         *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM
>>         *Subject:* [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
>>
>>         When something on our discussion list devolves into a
>>         personal contention, I think those involved should address
>>         their postings to each other rather than to the entire list.
>>         Caroline
>>
>>
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