[GPSCC-chat] recruiting volunteers for Citizens' Advisory Commission on Elections & Greens County Council

John Thielking pagesincolor at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 19 10:55:54 PST 2014


I didn't want to get too deep into the question of promoting a club with my lawyer as they are not authorized to give opinions about nonprofit orgs, mainly they give advice about for profit businesses. I'm satisfied that advertising a movie showing to a wider audience than just your friends is considered to be a commercial venture for purposes of copyright infringement even if the movie is shown at a private residence. Al Gore may have made an exception to this for Inconvenient Truth, but that is not required of other copyright holders. I have been uncomfortable with supporting movie showings at the Peace Center of movies where it was obvious to me that fees of $100 or more should be paid to the copyright holder and yet we were making a net profit off the movie showing with only 10-15 people attending. I'm not going to participate in that kind of thing in the future.  Like I said before I have had access to other movies that we could have shown or did
 show where there was no fee requested by the copyright holder or where I paid something like $250 for a copy that could be publicly shown indefinitely. Media Education Foundation is one source for documentaries that cost $200 or so for copies that can be shown publicly.


John Thielking


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 From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com>
To: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>; Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>; "perrysandy at aol.com" <perrysandy at aol.com>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
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Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] recruiting volunteers for Citizens'	Advisory	Commission on Elections & Greens County Council
 


      What constitutes "promoting a club"?  


      It would seem to me that one primary distinction would be
      whether the invitation was extended to the general public or only
      a list of individuals you more or less already know and have
      invited by name.  If the former, it's a public event.  In the
      latter case, I have two further questions regarding what you
      wrote:  


            1.  At what point are you showing the movie on your
      own behalf vs. on behalf of the Green Party?  Probably if you
      request donations, that could create a problem using a home
      viewing license.  If you offer literature on the Green Party,
      invite them to a meeting or ask them to register Green, it may
      depend on how much you push the Green Party:  If the event is
      primarily social, and mentioning the Green Party is just one of
      the things you do and believe in, I wouldn't know.  


            2.  Then there is the question of getting caught and
      enforcement:  If you invite a Tea Party radical, who would happily
      see you imprisoned as a Terrorist, you could be reported and then
      sued for copyright infringement.  The mainstream commercial media
      has successfully used SLAPP (Strategic lawsuit against public
      participation) lawsuits to reduce competition [Wikipedia, "Free
      Culture (book)", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_(book)].  


      Spencer



On 2/18/2014 11:14 AM, John Thielking wrote:

Bad news:  I just now got off the phone with my lawyer and he says that showing a movie at a private home to promote a club is not covered under the noncommercial license that comes with most movies for home viewing. So we really should get explicit permissions to show all of the movies that we show on behalf of the Green Party, wherever it is that we show them.
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>To: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>; Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>; "perrysandy at aol.com" <perrysandy at aol.com>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 7:35 PM
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>As I recall I was only required to pay the $150 for showing Inconveinent Truth because I was showing it at my store. If I were doing one of the other house parties where I was showing it at a private residence, I was not required to get a public viewing license. Presumably the people running the house parties were also NOT collecting donations.  So if you want to be 100% legit on movie night and show mainstream movies without permission you could try showing them at a private residence. I'd have to get back to you after I talk to my lawyer about asking for donations in that situation.
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>To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>; Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com>; "perrysandy at aol.com" <perrysandy at aol.com>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
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>As far as movie night goes, the movies that I brought to the table were always with the appropriate permissions to show them publicly. However, I have in the past had to pay up to $150 per showing to get the proper license for a mainstream movie such as Inconveinent Truth (shown at my fair trade crafts store in 2006 or 7). I don't think we were doing that type of dotting the i's and crossing the t's when we ran movie night before. So if we want to be 100% legit and still take in a net positive on donations, we should aim for getting activist pieces that we can get low or zero cost permissions to show publicly, such as Genetic Roulette.  As for organizing anything, don't look to me to start something and then leave town in June. 
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>To: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com>; "perrysandy at aol.com" <perrysandy at aol.com>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:41 PM
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>As to numbers 2.2 and 3, almost everyone belongs to at least two other groups. If we all try to bring people from our other groups, we ought to be able to fill the Peace Center easily.
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>As to number 2.1, Attaboy!
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>Caroline
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>From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com>
>To: perrysandy at aol.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
>Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] recruiting volunteers for Citizens' Advisory Commission on Elections & Greens County Council
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>Hi, Sandy:  
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>      1. 
                                                          Thanks for
                                                          offering to
                                                          serve on the
                                                          County
                                                          Council. 
                                                          Someone needs
                                                          to check the
                                                          rules on
                                                          procedure so
                                                          we can make it
                                                          official.  
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>      2.  I'd
                                                          be open to
                                                          changing the
                                                          format of our
                                                          monthly
                                                          meeting.  For
                                                          example, we
                                                          could start at
                                                          7 PM with a
                                                          guest
                                                          presentation
                                                          or a movie
                                                          followed by a
                                                          discussion
                                                          that would run
                                                          until 9 PM
                                                          followed by a
                                                          half hour
                                                          general
                                                          business
                                                          meeting with
                                                          agenda
                                                          organized by
                                                          the County
                                                          Council.  
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                                                          2.1.  However,
                                                          a change like
                                                          this would
                                                          require
                                                          someone taking
                                                          the lead to
                                                          organize
                                                          this.  The
                                                          obvious lead
                                                          organizers
                                                          should, I
                                                          think, be
                                                          people most
                                                          concerned
                                                          about our
                                                          major foci. 
                                                          These are
                                                          currently
                                                          environment
                                                          and universal
                                                          health care. 
                                                          Those are
                                                          important, but
                                                          I'm more
                                                          concerned
                                                          about
                                                          government
                                                          secrecy and
                                                          democracy. 
                                                          Regarding the
                                                          latter, I've
                                                          recently
                                                          attended
                                                          regular
                                                          meetings of
                                                          the Santa
                                                          Clara County
                                                          Citizens'
                                                          Advisory
                                                          Commission on
                                                          Elections and
                                                          the League of
                                                          Women Voters. 
                                                          I've already
                                                          been able to
                                                          restart
                                                          stalled
                                                          discussions on
                                                          getting
                                                          Instant Runoff
                                                          Voting here in
                                                          Santa Clara
                                                          County.  
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                                                          2.2.  Is
                                                          anyone
                                                          interested in
                                                          helping
                                                          organize a
                                                          showing of
                                                          "Inequality
                                                          for All"? 
                                                          Just over an
                                                          hour ago, I
                                                          finally
                                                          received word
                                                          that we can
                                                          now show
                                                          "Inequality
                                                          for All" on
                                                          reasonable
                                                          terms -- after
                                                          having had
                                                          tentative
                                                          showing
                                                          canceled twice
                                                          because of
                                                          misinformation
                                                          about
                                                          licensing. 
                                                          Dream Menders
                                                          will meet next
                                                          Wednesday and
                                                          discuss
                                                          showing this
                                                          at the Peace
                                                          Center,
                                                          presumably
                                                          2-4:30 PM on a
                                                          Sunday like
                                                          March 16, 23,
                                                          or 30.  Any
                                                          preferences?  
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>      3.  Some
                                                          will remember
                                                          that Merriam
                                                          Kathleen,
                                                          Caroline
                                                          Yacoub and
                                                          others (John
                                                          Thielking?)
                                                          organized a
                                                          Green Movie
                                                          night at the
                                                          Peace Center
                                                          for 2 years. 
                                                          The results
                                                          from that were
                                                          OK but not
                                                          adequate to
                                                          justify the
                                                          level of
                                                          effort
                                                          required to
                                                          keep it
                                                          going.  Before
                                                          we change how
                                                          we manage our
                                                          monthly
                                                          meeting(s), we
                                                          need to ask
                                                          Caroline and
                                                          others what we
                                                          should do to
                                                          try to obtain
                                                          greater
                                                          success.  
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>      Spencer 
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>On 2/11/2014
                                                          5:34 PM, perrysandy at aol.com wrote:
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>>Hi Spencer,
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>>I would be willing to serve on the County Council, but only as a last resort, after we have taken serious steps to recruit minority candidates and women. Otherwise, I am afraid our County Council will dwindle further, from three to two, two to one, etc. until we are on the verge of disappearing - just at the very time the situation for the Green Party is getting riper than ever.
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>>I also believe we should consider a suggestion made by Drew a while ago: to grow the Green Party in small local committees as we are attempting to do with some small success at De Anza. To have the main (tedious) business of the Party handled by the County Council in a separate meeting (open to any member). To have our monthly membership meeting be an educational or organizing event geared toward new members and prospective members, with films, lectures, or actions, and broadly publicized.
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>>With all due respect, I am tired of long discussions about whether or not we should endorse a long list of projects, while in the meantime we are growing so small that people care less and less whether we endorse their activity or not.
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>>Sandy
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Spencer
                                                          Graves mailto:spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com
>>To: GPSCC mailto:sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>Sent: Thu, Feb
                                                          6, 2014 9:03
                                                          pm
>>Subject:
                                                          [GPSCC-chat]
                                                          recruiting
                                                          volunteers for
                                                          Citizens'
                                                          Advisory
                                                          Commission on
                                                          Elections
                                                          & Greens
                                                          County Council
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>>Hello, All: 1. COUNTY COUNCIL: Our official County Council is supposed to have 7. 
After John Thielking leaves in June, we will be down to 3 (Jim Doyle, 
Betsy and me). The duties are simple: Respond to an occasional email or 
phone call to help decide an issue that we prefer not wait for the next 
monthly meeting. Other requirements: Live in Santa Clara County and have 
been registered Green for at least a year. It's not necessary to come to 
meetings. 2. SANTA CLARA COUNTY CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMISSION ON ELECTIONS: This 
Commission meets the first Tuesday of each month except on election 
days. It helps the Board of Supervisors manage the Registrar of Voters. 
They currently have a vacancy in Supervisorial District 2 
(http://www.sccgov.org/sites/bos/bnc/CABODocs/MaddyReport.html#CITIZENS%E2%80%99 ADVISORY COMMISSION ON ELECTIONS). ** This is a key post from which to advance instant runoff voting (IRV) 
and increasing the volume of information available to the public 
including about campaign finance. I've been attending their meetings 
since last September. If we had had 1 or 2 people actively attending 
these meetings for the past decade and pushing gently for IRV, we would 
likely have gotten it 5 years ago or so, shortly after San Francisco and 
Alameda Counties started using IRV. One of the current Commissioners is 
a Peace & Freedom party member (Dave Kadlecek), which indicates that you 
don't have to be a Democrat or a Republican to be appointed to this 
board. Two of the current board members asked me to apply. 
Unfortunately, I'm not eligible, because I do not live in Supervisorial 
District 2. This is an unpaid position. I'd be pleased to talk with anyone who might be interested either in 
serving in trying to find someone to serve in either of these capacities. Best Wishes,
Spencer  
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Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
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