[Sosfbay-discuss] Fostering Ties to Other Local Progressive Groups (was Re: Green Bikers)
JamBoi
jamboi at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 14 21:05:13 PDT 2006
And not just join them but pick up their issues and offer political
muscle to get their issues addressed. We can do that even when we (as
individuals) may not be part of the group. At the planning meeting we
talked about fostering ties with other groups and someone disdainfully
said 'does that mean I have to join all these other groups??? I don't
have time for that!' To which I answer, no! If we as a party ADD VALUE
to the progressive community by being aware of, sensitive to and taking
up the issues of the other groups we'll start 'fostering ties' with
these groups and begin to draw support from them. It will be a mutual
support network. SVBC is just one example of many possible examples.
A Million Votes for Peace!
Drew
--- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
> I agree. I show up to help when they have something
> going on. I'm a member. The more of us that join the better!
>
> Tian
>
> JamBoi wrote:
>
> >My point is that we could foster closer ties to SVBC
> >http://www.svbcbikes.org/ and have some mutual support happening.
> >
> >A Million Votes for Peace!
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >--- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>If you go to the SVBC meetings you will find people that like what
> >>we are doing and don't really mind being fellow travelers. Some
> >>of them (at least one I've seen) even wear Green Party T shirts to
> >>the meeting. They see their work as advocacy more than change,
> >>so they won't be running against us soon.
> >>
> >>JamBoi wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Unlike the author of that particular letter, I don't see it as a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>choice
> >>
> >>
> >>>of either/or. In other words, yes we need to improve our transit
> >>>system, and yes we need to improve our cycling system. The
> cycling
> >>>part costs a mere pittance compared to the money spent on autos
> and
> >>>gets a very large 'bang for the buck'. I still think about how in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition we were fighting for the state
> and
> >>>county folks just to fullfill what they'd committed to (required
> by
> >>>
> >>>
> >>law
> >>
> >>
> >>>actually) to build up the cycling path beside 85 and how the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>squirreled
> >>
> >>
> >>>out of it as unfortunately happens so frequently. Damn we would
> >>>
> >>>
> >>have
> >>
> >>
> >>>done well to turn to the Green Party to get some political muscle
> >>>behind it. Still could. The cycling community and SVBC could be
> >>>another source of Green Party recruits, especially if we can
> >>>
> >>>
> >>actually
> >>
> >>
> >>>get some changes effected.
> >>>
> >>>A Million Votes for Peace,
> >>>
> >>>Drew
> >>>
> >>>--- Bob Alavi <baalavi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi All, This was [not bilke commute friendly ] in Chronicle of
> Aug
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>5:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> "
> >>>> TED LOEWENBERG San Francisco
> >>>>
> >>>>---------------------------------
> >>>> Bicycle commuting is a dead horse
> >>>> Editor -- Your frequent advocacy for bicycle commuting has made
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>me
> >>
> >>
> >>>>rethink the idea. An experienced rider can probably maintain 20
> mph
> >>>>for a reasonable distance in bike clothing. A commuter, dressed
> for
> >>>>work, would be hard pressed, especially in traffic and with
> crowded
> >>>>bike lanes. When I rode 8 miles to my dental office on a good
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>bike
> >>
> >>
> >>>>path, on a warm day, it usually required about 25 minutes of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>riding,
> >>
> >>
> >>>>and 30 minutes of drip dry, as there was no shower available.
> >>>>Schlepping a change of clothes back and forth is not a viable
> >>>>solution. For most people, this is ridiculous, and to keep
> >>>>suggesting such a method as reasonable is to continue beating a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>very
> >>
> >>
> >>>>dead horse. Get real. Society requires subsidized transit for all
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>in
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the Bay Area. "
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess the "5 letters" were in response to this. Since about
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>beginning of the year, I have been commuting with a bicycle. I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>think
> >>
> >>
> >>>>it has been tremendously helpful in my case. My commute is about
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>15
> >>
> >>
> >>>>miles, one way. But some of the items noted in the letter as
> >>>>problems of commuting with a bicyle, seem reasonable to me. I
> just
> >>>>didn't like the tone of that letter. To be specific, I think 20
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>MPH
> >>
> >>
> >>>>for a bike is way too fast in most city streets. I feel I'd be
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>going
> >>
> >>
> >>>>dangerously fast when I go over 12-15 MPH. But that may be my
> >>>>problem. Oh yes, sweating is a problem, but if I ride Light Rail
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>for
> >>
> >>
> >>>>part of that commute, I hardly break a sweat. Proper clothing is
> >>>>completely a different area by itself.
> >>>>
> >>>> We as a society have invested over 100 years to develop
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>"automobile
> >>
> >>
> >>>>traffic friendly" system and roads. If we invest a fraction of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>that
> >>
> >>
> >>>>into a "bicyle friendly" system, we -- that's all of us, will do
> a
> >>>>lot better.
> >>>>
> >>>> ba
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org> wrote:
> >>>> Gerry, Tian, Cameron, Drew, Dana and other Green bikers - OR
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>BIKERS
> >>
> >>
> >>>>TO
> >>>>BE, There are five "Letters to the Editor," in today's (Aug 12)
> SF
> >>>>Chronicle, under "A happy gaggle of bike commuters," that you
> might
> >>>>be
> >>>>interested in. Either get it on line or pick up a Chronicle
> today.
> >>>>The
> >>>>letters are on the "Opinion" page, Section B, Page 4.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>--
> >>Tian
> >>http://tian.greens.org
> >>Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures!
> >>
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> >
> >JamBoi
> >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer
> >
> >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
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