[Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places

Thu Mar 8 10:27:28 PST 2007

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limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and  
feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical  
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for  
us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few  
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this  
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
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On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.

Drew

NOT

Here's a quote from the SC Green website:

"email lists
The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
relevant to the Green Party."

Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not the  
Santa Clara Greens.

> I
> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party values
> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
>
> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or what
> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county list.

Please reference above.

>
> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC fashion
> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his action.  I
> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined with his
> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where he  
> is.

In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable with  
yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable censoring  
him. However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to  
discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration  
after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand  
for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want however  
it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your statements.  
Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the area  
again.

> Give it a rest Roy!  There are so many REAL ISSUES we need to work on,
> like getting the SCC Congressional representatives to support
> impeachment.  This here is just bullshit drama and you seem to be  
> drawn
> to it.  Give it a rest!  and come on out and actually participate with
> us in the many actions we are doing these days.  Don't just sit back
> behind your keyboard and critique.  Come on out!

Drew.. again you're using a lot of energy charged words, Quite  
truthfully I came close to pointing out your drama and repeated  
character assassination when it came to Mark and now I see it  
directed at me. And again, you imply that I should come out from  
behind my keyboard and participate. If it wasn't for this thread and  
the one I started concerning the reply to field (of which I've  
misdirected 4 emails today already doubling on others inboxes (make  
that 5..I just double posted this)) I might have posted  1/2 dozen  
emails to this list. Not quite sitting behind the keyboard. I do lots  
of pro bono work in my production work..one of them was for the Gren  
PArty of whcih you were supposed to do something usefull with the  
video I shot. I pointed out once befre that you've done nothing to  
get this video from me and certsinly the timeliness of it is well  
past. So please don't suggest to me that I should get involved.

Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the way  
it had with a member of this list being told how and where they could  
post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing so.

I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to stir  
some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do the  
right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather fuzzy.

Peace

Duende

>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:02 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> Oh my God people!  Give it a rest and give me a break!  It's a very
>>> basic principle of Greens that we believe in local autonomy.  As a
>>> County Council member I'll not stand by silently when someone (who
>>> didn't even initially tell us where he was from) persists in
>> bombing
>>> our e-list with their outsider opinion.  No I won't stand for it.
>> Its
>>> not right and its not happening here.
>>
>> Bombing? The man made 3 posts since December and all were
>> intelligent.
>>
>>> However I will take full credit
>>> (as I've not been given by these critics) for coming up with an
>>> eminently practical solution that allows us Greens to mutually
>> support
>>> each other across the country even though we are not in the same
>>> locality - e-lists for CountyDev at Greens.org and
>>> Candidates at Greens.org .
>>
>> I'm sure you will take full credit though if you read my reply to
>> Tian I had also suggested the possibility of county specific list as
>>
>> well. However this isn't one of them and has never had a geographical
>> bias to it until you "refused to stand for it"
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Duende
>>
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>> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is
>>
>> the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion
>> is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in
>> awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
>>
>> Albert Einstein
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