[Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: How Greens helped Gore win the 2000 election

[Andrea Dorey]

Wasn't the "spoiler" nonsense also addressed in the film "An  
Unreasonable Man"?
Andrea

On Oct 22, 2007, at 6:42 PM, Fred Duperrault wrote:

> On what did Nader and Scheer disagree?  I agree with most of what they
> both say.
>
> Fred
>
> I call Gore the former 'President in Exile' since he won the 2000  
> election
>   before he and the Dems allowed the Republicans to steal it away  
> from him
> and more importantly from The People. Here's how we Greens helped  
> him win.
> For the next time you here some smack about Nader 2000 here's some  
> facts.
>
>
> Green is Core!
>
> Drew Johnson
> GPCA
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message  
> ----------------------------
> Subject: [G-C-F] Nader 2000 mobilization effect erased spoiler effect
> From:    "Chuck Giese"
> Date:    Mon, October 22, 2007 14:27
> To:      "greens cal forum"
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ----
>
> Folks,
>
> Over the weekend I listened to the recent
> debate between Robert Scheer and Ralph Nader
> on one of those cruises sponsored by The
> Nation magazine.  This debate was brought to
> G-C-F's attention by Lisa Taylor on Oct. 11.
> (Thank you, Lisa.)  She provided this link:
>
>
> http://www.truthdig.com/podcast/item/ 
> 20071009_robert_scheer_debates_ralph_nader/
>
> In the debate, Nader refers to a study by
> Solon Simmons that investigated the effect
> of Nader's presence in the race in mobilizing
> voters who otherwise would not have voted.
> He concludes that "Nader actually helped Gore
> to do better than he would have in some cases
> by mobilizing voters who were then captured
> by the Gore ticket in the campaign's closing
> weeks."
>
> This means that Nader's net spoiler effect
> was probably non-existent, and that Nader
> probably generated a net GAIN in votes for
> Gore, that Gore would not have received if
> Nader had not been a candidate!  Simmons'
> data suggest that not only would Gore have
> lost Florida and New Hampshire by wider
> margins without Nader in the race, but that
> Gore might even have lost Wisconsin and New
> Mexico without Nader in the race!
>
> -----
>
> In the debate with Scheer, Nader mentions
> that this study by Solon Simmons can be found
> at votenader.org.  Unfortunately, that link
> is broken, because Simmons has moved to a new
> job at a different university.  But I found
> the study in MS Word format.  The Google
> search result also had a "convert to HTML"
> option, to read it in your browser instead
> of as a Word document.  (If you read it as
> HTML, however, the bar graph gets lost.)
>
> This document is not just the Simmons article,
> but a short political journal with a few
> articles.  The Solon Simmons article is:
> "One in Ten Thousand: Ralph Nader Takes on
> the Presidency".
>
>
> URL (MS Word version):
>
> http://www.uwosh.edu/political_science/word/ 
> Wisconsin_Political_Scientist_Summer_2004.doc
>
>
> URL (HTML with missing bar graph):
>
> http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:jQIR-IaszaMJ:www.uwosh.edu/ 
> political_science/word/Wisconsin_Political_Scientist_Summer_2004.doc 
> +%22Solon+Simmons%22+Green+vote 
> +Democrats&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&client=mozilla
>
> (This last URL may not last long, as the document is in Google's  
> cache.)
>
>
> Enjoy,
> Chuck Giese
>
> Fremont, Calif.
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