[GPSCC-chat] Obama & Economic Recovery

[Gerry Gras]

I basically agree with you.

I think the left-right spectrum was always oversimplifying,
and it has gradually been losing it's relevance.

My (wild) guess is that there are 5 - 10 dimensions that
have some significance.

It is clear that due to global warming and general
environmental degradation, that we can't continue on
a path anything like the past.

Articles and books about the "Great Turning" talk about
a future substantially different than the past in many ways.

     http://www.joannamacy.net/thegreatturning.html
     http://www.greatturningtimes.org/

FWIW, the current article of Yes Magazine talks about
different kinds of jobs:

     http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/new-livelihoods

Gerry


alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
> One last point I want to make on this thread. Even if Obama and the
> Democrats did what they say they want to do on behalf of working people
> I would still likely disagree with them. I repeat. /*Even if...* *Obama
> and the Democrats did what they say they want to do on behalf of working
> people... I would still likely disagree with them*.
>
> /Why?
>
> Because like most Greens, I am no longer on "the same page" with
> so-called liberal Democrats. Please comment on what I wrote on
> California Greening about the "Left-Right" and
> "Libertarian-Authoritarian" and "Green-Gray" dimensions for describing
> political parties and politicians.
>
> Democrats say: "Put Americans back to work!" But they want to put us
> back to work doing stuff that is unsustainable. Both California
> Republicans and Democrats talk about bringing back the "California
> dream" but the California dream was based on cheap land, cheap energy,
> and cheap water. And both Republicans and Democrats want to accomplish
> their goals through a top-down authoritarian regime.
>
> I am convinced the growing conflict between stand patters for "Gray"
> industry (Republicans, Democrats, and the "Old Left") and innovators for
> "Green" industry constitutes a third dimension. And it's along this
> third dimension where the great 21st Century political struggles are
> forming.
>
> 3D
>
> The irrelevance and divisiveness of the phony debate between so-called
> conservative Republicans and so-called liberal Democrats is why I plead
> for Greens, Libertarians, and all other serious independents to quit
> propping up the One-Party-With-2-Names by framing our dissent with old
> clichés, slogans, and stereotypes.
>
> Read more to see the "Political Compass" test prologue. Check it out,
> take the test, then post a comment on my blog at /California Greening:/
>
> http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/08/3d-politics-political-compass-and.html
> <http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/08/3d-politics-political-compass-and.html>
> http://tinyurl.com/3t6pze4 <http://tinyurl.com/3t6pze4>
>
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