[GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future

Spencer Graves spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
Thu Sep 8 02:48:42 PDT 2011 

Hi, Brian:  Thanks for this.  According to Wikipedia ("World Trade 
Center"), several surrounding buildings were damaged by debris.  To me, 
this raises questions about the claims that the buildings fell straight 
down like a controlled demolition unless the collateral damage was done 
from debris from the impact and / or a relatively small portion of the 
mass of the 3 buildings that collapsed fell outside their footprint.  
What do you know about this?  Thanks, Spencer


On 9/7/2011 11:46 PM, Brian Good wrote:
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>    There's a lot of confusion about the speed with which the towers 
> came down, and most of it emanates
> from the official sources and the debunkers.  The lead investigator 
> for NIST's $20 million study, Dr. Shyam
> Sunder, told NOVA in 2006 that the towers came down in 9 seconds and 
> 11 seconds, which would be free
> fall.  This comports with NIST's 2005 report (Section 6.14.4 of NCSTAR 
> 1) that says "the building section
> above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos."
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>    In August 2006 NIST issued a FAQ statement saying that they had 
> measured the time for debris
> freefalling outside the building structure, finding it struck the 
> ground in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
> I have looked for evidence of such a study and I can not find it in 
> the NIST report.  "Debunkers" seize on
> this statement in the FAQs and try to deny that Dr. Sunder told NOVA 
> what he said, and that the NIST report
> says what it says, claiming they were talking about the external debris.
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>   The Section 6.14.4 statement in context is clearly referring not to 
> external debris, but to the upper section
> of the building falling through the undamaged lower structure: /"Since 
> the stories below the level of collapse
> initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy 
> released by the falling building mass, the building
> section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. 
> As the stories below sequentially failed,
> the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the 
> floors below, which were unable to arrest
> the moving mass."//
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>    Dr. Sunder's statement is clearly about the buildings, not falling 
> debris.
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>    David Chandler, a high school physics teacher, has studied the 
> collapse videos frame by frame and finds
> that the acceleration involved was 2/3 that of a gravitational 
> collapse, not pure freefall.  Even 2/3 freefall
> is quite astounding, since by the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, the 
> potential energy of the elevated mass
> of the towers converted to kinetic energy of falling debris must not 
> only do the work of bringing the debris
> to earth but also squishing, bending, and breaking the steel 
> structure, and pulverizing the 180,000 tons of
> concrete floors.  NIST has never bothered to supply an energetic 
> analysis of the collapse.
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>   Mr. Chandler's studies have shown, as acknowledged in NIST's final 
> report, that Building 7 did come
> down at freefall in the first 100 feet.   NIST tells us freefall means 
> there is no supporting structure at all.
> For WTC7 to fall vertically in near-perfect symmetry at freefall means 
> all support had to be removed
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> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:03:19 -0700
> From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com
> To: cbrouillet at igc.org; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
>
> After reading material from both sides, I have come to believe that 
> the twin towers could have come down at free fall speed without a 
> demolition process. The buildings are very fragile compared to the 
> forces generated by even a small bump caused by the tops of the towers 
> on their way down. However, that doesn't mean that 9/11 wasn't an 
> inside job in some other way.  As an example, consider the reports of 
> cell phone conversations and voicemails recorded allegedly from flight 
> 93.  One of the 9/11 truth web sites claimed that someone had done a 
> test to see if you could get a cell phone carried aloft in a Cesna 
> aircraft at 200 mph and 8000 ft elevation to communicate with the 
> ground. The test was a complete failure.  No communication was 
> established with the ground during this test. This in my mind says 
> that the claims of cell phone communications by passengers of flight 
> 93 with places on the ground are false. Note that nowadays some jumbo 
> jets have the capability to carry cell phone traffic while in the air, 
> but this capability did not exist in 2001.  Good luck with your 
> presentations Carol.  I will be out of town on both dates.
> John Thielking
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> *From:* Carol Brouillet <cbrouillet at igc.org>
> *To:* sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:50 PM
> *Subject:* [GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
>
> *9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future*  - and the *Tenth 
> Annual 9/11 Truth Rally/Parade March *on *Sunday September 11, 2011 *- 
> Theme Satyagraha- The Power of Truth....
>
> The annual 9/11 Truth Film Festival, benefit for the Northern 
> California 9/11 Truth Alliance begins
>  this*Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 1 pm to 10 pm* at the *Grand Lake 
> Theater *, 3200 Grand Ave. in Oakland
>  and continues
> on *Sunday September 11th, 2011, 1 pm to 9:30 pm *at the *Herbst 
> Theatre*, 401 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco
>
> Speakers include-
> director of Project Censored *Mickey Huff*,
> president of the Media Freedom Foundation *Peter Phillips*,
> sister of fallen firefighter David Weiss from Rescue One and founder 
> of Unite in Peace *Michele Little*,
> author of /Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a New Investigation of 9/11/ 
> *Dr. Paul Rea*,
> author of /Earth into Property: Colonization, Decolonization, and 
> Capitalism/ *Prof. Anthony J. Hall*,
> author of /Waking the Global Heart: Humanity's Rites of Passage From 
> the Love of Power to the Power of Love /*Anodea Judith*,
> author of /Building the Green Economy: Success Stories from the 
> Grassroots/ *Kevin Danaher*,
> author of /World as Love, World as Self - Courage for Global Justice 
> and Ecological Renewal/ *Joanna Macy*,
> filmmakers *Ken Jenkins* and *Brett Smith*,
> Ironworkers Local 377 member *Mike Daly,
> *radio host of "Community Currency" *Carol Brouillet,
> *music by*The Away Team*,
> MC at the Grand Lake Theater- radio host *Bonnie Faulkner *from "Guns 
> and Butter,"
> MC at the Herbst Theatre- comedian*Sherry Glaser-Love,* the star and 
> author of Off-Broadway's longest-running one-woman show, "Family Secrets."
>
>  In addition to the films-
>  "Psywar: The Real Battlefield Is the Mind,"
>  "You, Me & the SPP: Trading Democracy for Corporate Rule,"
>  "Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup,"
>  "Hypothesis: A Documentary about Prof. Stephen E. Jones,"
>  and the premiere Sunday evening of- "9/11: Explosive Evidence ­ 
> Experts Speak Out,"
>  there will be live streaming from the *Toronto Hearings
> * and *One the Event- Shifting from Fear to Love *from Seattle
>
> Full schedule and details at 
> http://www.communitycurrency/filmfestival2011.html
> Tickets $10 & $7 (for students, seniors, low income).
> Facebook event at- http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=269079389776199
>
> In addition the *10th Annual 9/11 Truth Rally/March/Parade* will begin
> *Sunday, September 11, 2011
> *at *10 am* at the Gandhi Statue, near the Ferry Building in San 
> Francisco
> parading up Market Street to Halldie Plaza by *11 am,* and on to the 
> Civic Center by*noon.
> *With words, poetry, music, along the way. See details at 
> http://communitycurrency.org/10thanniversary.html
>
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