[GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
Brian Good
snug.bug at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 9 00:12:27 PDT 2011
Hi Spencer,
Yes, many of the neighboring buildings were damaged by flying debris. The Deutsche Bank/Banker's Trust building
south across Liberty Street from the south tower had a huge gash ripped down its front and was abandoned and
ultimately torn down. The World Financial Center (WFC) across West Street had a multi-ton steel component
embedded in its wall, and perimeter column elements fell on the WFC Winter Garden as much as 550 feet away
from the tower's footprint. Steel debris also punched holes in the Verizon Building north across Vesey Street, and
apparently some hit World Trade Center 7 as well. David Chandler, a high school physics instructor has done a
frame-by-frame analysis of one of the videos and concludes that one steel structural component was hurled
horizontally at velocities exceeding 70 mph. Mr. Chandler believes these velocities reflect explosive expulsion
from the building. I'm reserving judgment on that, myself.
Much of the debris from the towers fell outside the footprint. I don't know if anyone has tried to quantify it.
It is unfortunate that the crime scene was scrubbed with no effort to map the site. Every steel assembly was
marked with a stamped ID number (to ensure that it was installed in the right place) and so a map of what
piece landed where would have been very useful in evaluating various collapse theories. According to the
official piledriver theory of Dr. Bazant, debris from the top "block" should have been all together at the top of
the debris pile. More widely scattered top debris would suggest a different collapse mechanism. The
official lead investigator, Shyam Sunder, told NOVA that the site was scrubbed because of the need for search
and rescue operations. This was a blatant lie. Rescue operations were terminated after a week, while the
scoop-and-dump evidence scrubbing went on for months over the protests of family members, firefighters,
and engineers who wanted a scientific study of the rubble. The cleanup was so careless that the intact
body of a man in a business suit was found in the rubble at Fresh Kills landfill across the river.
Debris from 47-story WTC7 did not range as far, but pretty much confined itself to a tidy pile that extended
across the streets from WTC7's footprint. The collapse did tear off some of the stone cladding from the
neighboring Verizon Building, and damaged Fiterman Hall of the Borough of Manhattan Community College.
The damage does not appear to be severe, but the building was eventually torn down. If Wikipedia can be
believed it stood until 2009 before it was torn down.
I think we need new investigations of what happened at Ground Zero because the official reports are incomplete.
Though NIST was charged with explaining why and how the buildings came down, they terminated their
analysis at the moment of collapse initiation, which allowed them to dodge the most baffling aspects of the
buildings' demise: the collapses' symmetry, speed, and totality; the pulverization of 180,000 tons of concrete
floors; the molten steel found in the rubble pile; and the collapse of the lower core, which had survived the initial
collapse of the outer floors.
I also think the reports are dishonest. Their initial estimates of airplane damage ranged from 1 core column
severed to 6 severed. When their moderate estimate of 3 failed to generate a collapse in their computer models,
they assumed the worst case scenario, and tweaked the input parameters to maximize damage to the core. They
threw out empirical studies of truss behavior under heating when the results were not dramatic enough for them.
They failed to follow up on FEMA's call for further study of "evaporated" steel, and went so far as to claim that the
evaporated sample did not exist. Their answer to questions admits that they terminated their computer model
at collapse initiation because after that their models failed to converge. Does that mean what I think it means?
That every time they ran their model it generated a chaotic asymmetrical and possibly partial collapse as the laws
of physics would predict?
In the Building 7 report Mr. Chandler forced them to admit that the structure came down at freefall acceleration
for a period of 2.25 seconds. NIST's Dr. Sunder had already stated that freefall means there was no structural
support at all. The near-perfect symmetry of the collapse requires that all the supporting structure be removed
simultaneously.
The video I recommended a week or so ago has now achieved over 300,000 views, and the viewing rate is
increasing. Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth now has 1500 architects and engineers calling for new
investigations--50 of them structural engineers, and 40 of them high rise architects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 02:48:42 -0700
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
To: snug.bug at hotmail.com
CC: pagesincolor at yahoo.com; cbrouillet at igc.org; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
Hi, Brian: Thanks for this. According to Wikipedia ("World Trade
Center"), several surrounding buildings were damaged by debris. To
me, this raises questions about the claims that the buildings fell
straight down like a controlled demolition unless the collateral
damage was done from debris from the impact and / or a relatively
small portion of the mass of the 3 buildings that collapsed fell
outside their footprint. What do you know about this? Thanks,
Spencer
On 9/7/2011 11:46 PM, Brian Good wrote:
There's a lot of confusion about the speed with
which the towers came down, and most of it emanates
from the official sources and the debunkers. The
lead investigator for NIST's $20 million study, Dr. Shyam
Sunder, told NOVA in 2006 that the towers came down
in 9 seconds and 11 seconds, which would be free
fall. This comports with NIST's 2005 report
(Section 6.14.4 of NCSTAR 1) that says "the building section
above came down essentially in free fall,
as seen in videos."
In August 2006 NIST issued a FAQ
statement saying that they had measured the time for debris
freefalling outside the building structure, finding
it struck the ground in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.
I have looked for evidence of such a study and I
can not find it in the NIST report. "Debunkers" seize on
this statement in the FAQs and try to deny that Dr.
Sunder told NOVA what he said, and that the NIST report
says what it says, claiming they were talking about
the external debris.
The Section 6.14.4 statement in context is
clearly referring not to external debris, but to the upper
section
of the building falling through the undamaged lower
structure: "Since
the stories below the level of collapse
initiation provided little
resistance to the tremendous energy released by the
falling building
mass, the building
section above came down essentially in free fall, as
seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed,
the falling
mass increased, further increasing the demand on the
floors below,
which were unable to arrest
the moving mass.”
Dr. Sunder's statement is clearly about the
buildings, not falling debris.
David Chandler, a high school physics teacher,
has studied the collapse videos frame by frame and finds
that the acceleration involved was 2/3 that of a
gravitational collapse, not pure freefall. Even 2/3
freefall
is quite astounding, since by the 1st Law of
Thermodynamics, the potential energy of the elevated mass
of the towers converted to kinetic energy of
falling debris must not only do the work of bringing the
debris
to earth but also squishing, bending, and breaking
the steel structure, and pulverizing the 180,000 tons of
concrete floors. NIST has never bothered to supply
an energetic analysis of the collapse.
Mr. Chandler's studies have shown, as
acknowledged in NIST's final report, that Building 7 did
come
down at freefall in the first 100 feet. NIST
tells us freefall means there is no supporting structure at
all.
For WTC7 to fall vertically in near-perfect
symmetry at freefall means all support had to be removed
simultaneously.
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:03:19 -0700
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com
To: cbrouillet at igc.org; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth,
Reclaiming Our Future
After
reading material from both sides, I have come to
believe that the twin towers could have come down at
free fall speed without a demolition process. The
buildings are very fragile compared to the forces
generated by even a small bump caused by the tops of
the towers on their way down. However, that doesn't
mean that 9/11 wasn't an inside job in some other
way. As an example, consider the reports of cell
phone conversations and voicemails recorded allegedly
from flight 93. One of the 9/11 truth web sites
claimed that someone had done a test to see if you
could get a cell phone carried aloft in a Cesna
aircraft at 200 mph and 8000 ft elevation to
communicate with the ground. The test was a complete
failure. No communication was established with the
ground during this test. This in my mind says that the
claims of cell phone communications by passengers of
flight 93 with places on the ground are false. Note
that nowadays some jumbo jets have the capability to
carry cell phone traffic while in the air, but this
capability did not exist in 2001. Good luck with your
presentations Carol. I will be out of town on both
dates.
John
Thielking
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[GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming
Our Future
9/11 Reclaiming the
Truth, Reclaiming Our Future - and the Tenth
Annual 9/11 Truth Rally/Parade March on Sunday
September 11, 2011 - Theme Satyagraha- The
Power of Truth....
The annual 9/11 Truth Film Festival, benefit for the
Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance begins
this Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 1 pm to 10
pm at the Grand Lake Theater , 3200
Grand Ave. in Oakland
and continues
on Sunday September 11th, 2011, 1 pm to 9:30 pm
at the Herbst Theatre, 401 Van Ness Ave.
in San Francisco
Speakers include-
director of Project Censored Mickey Huff,
president of the Media Freedom Foundation Peter
Phillips,
sister of fallen firefighter David Weiss from Rescue
One and founder of Unite in Peace Michele Little,
author of Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a New
Investigation of 9/11 Dr. Paul Rea,
author of Earth into Property: Colonization,
Decolonization, and Capitalism Prof.
Anthony J. Hall,
author of Waking the Global Heart: Humanity's
Rites of Passage From the Love of Power to the
Power of Love Anodea Judith,
author of Building the Green Economy: Success
Stories from the Grassroots Kevin Danaher,
author of World as Love, World as Self - Courage
for Global Justice and Ecological Renewal Joanna
Macy,
filmmakers Ken Jenkins and Brett Smith,
Ironworkers Local 377 member Mike Daly,
radio host of “Community Currency” Carol
Brouillet,
music by The Away Team,
MC at the Grand Lake Theater- radio host Bonnie
Faulkner from “Guns and Butter,”
MC at the Herbst Theatre- comedianSherry
Glaser-Love, the star and author of
Off-Broadway’s longest-running one-woman show,
“Family Secrets.”
In addition to the films-
“Psywar: The Real Battlefield Is the Mind,”
“You, Me & the SPP: Trading Democracy for
Corporate Rule,”
“Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup,”
“Hypothesis: A Documentary about Prof. Stephen E.
Jones,”
and the premiere Sunday evening of- “9/11:
Explosive Evidence Experts Speak Out,”
there will be live streaming from the Toronto
Hearings
and One the Event- Shifting from Fear to
Love from Seattle
Full schedule and details at http://www.communitycurrency/filmfestival2011.html
Tickets $10 & $7 (for students, seniors, low
income).
Facebook event at- http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=269079389776199
In addition the 10th Annual 9/11 Truth
Rally/March/Parade will begin
Sunday, September 11, 2011
at 10 am at the Gandhi Statue, near the
Ferry Building in San Francisco
parading up Market Street to Halldie Plaza by 11
am, and on to the Civic Center by noon.
With words, poetry, music, along the way. See
details at http://communitycurrency.org/10thanniversary.html
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