[GPSCC-chat] ENDORSE MOVE TO AMEND RALLY & FORWARD

[Spencer Graves]

Hi, John and Drew:

JOHN:

       Citizens United surely must know about Move to Amend by now and 
doubtless is spending lots of money to figure out how to defeat it. The 
standard approach to this kind of thing is to run focus groups and 
sample surveys to identify what kind of ad campaign would convince the 
public that they need corporations to be above the law.


       The claim that small businesses need to be "person" under the law 
is, in my judgment, exactly the kind of thing that could be identified 
by focus groups and sample surveys as an argument that could be used to 
defeat Move to Amend. As long as big businesses are people under the 
law, natural persons and small businesses are subject to the whims of 
the wealthy.


DREW:  How do you know that the US and Iraq are the only two countries 
that have corporate personhood?  I'd like to make sure before I repeat 
that too many times.

       Spencer



On 1/7/2012 12:22 PM, Drew wrote:
>
> My take is that American Exceptionalism is exactly what lead to the 
> bizarre and dangeroud form of artificial personhood being granted the 
> rights that only real people should have - as I'd explained before in 
> most all of the rest of the world artificial entities are considered 
> fictitious legal "persons" yes, and are given "rights", yes, but not 
> inalienable rights that are hard wired into the constitution in a way 
> that IMO only real people should be protected. In the rest of the 
> world the government and legal system are recognized as having the 
> ability to freely regulate artificial entities - as I believe common 
> sense would agree, but you're arguing against.
>
> John, really IMO you're discussion points have been made here and to 
> continue on this list is just beating a dead horse. I agree however 
> that the matter is worthy of discussion within the MTA - just not here 
> since there is where you could actually impact the wording of the 
> amendment but here we really can't. It makes sense to address the 
> question with those that have direct input on it and leave off the 
> rest of us who don't see the merit in your proposal and who's 
> discussion list needs to focus on items that we share in common, not 
> those of only one member who has been given full opportunity to state 
> his peace but hasn't persuaded the group to his point of view.
>
> Green is care!
>
> Drew
>
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