[GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37

Thu Oct 11 22:47:21 PDT 2012

Should we move on getting this started before the next GP GA meeting?  If so, I move that the county council should vote on sponsoring this event at the Peace Center. I vote in favor of this.  According to the calendar, Friday Nov 2, 2012  is open.  We could hand out lots of fliers before then.  I will be out of town from October 15 to October 22nd, but I could start printing and handing out fliers this Sunday before I leave.  I will be watching movies on Friday all day but if others could coordinate the vote and contact Shelby to confirm the Peace Center availability,  I will drop by the Peace Center at about 6PM Friday October 12th to check on things and I will check my cell phone e-mail to see what the final vote is too.  Thanks.

John Thielking

--- On Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com> wrote:

From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Cc: "eden" <edenw at gal3.com>, "Greens" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>, "merriam k" <mkmusic03 at aol.com>
Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:28 PM

Hi, John:  OK.  I yield.  Do you need anything from me to make this happen?  If yes, what?  Spencer 

On 10/11/2012 9:27 PM, John Thielking wrote:

This video is useful to show before the election because it does a good job of clearing up the uncertainty about weather or not GMOs are really bad for us (they are really bad for us and for farm animals).  In the Yes On N campaign about water fluoridation being banned in Santa Cruz, which passed and became law, a lot of the debate hinged on the dangers of fluoridation, not so much on the nuts and bolts of the initiative that simply stated that nothing could be added to the water to treat humans as opposed to treating the water.  I did spring for a wi fi adapter for my laptop, but if it would be better to play the video from a hard drive I can do that instead.  I called Shelby and confirmed that the Peace Center has cables to run from the laptop to the projector and the sound system.  Another thing that the video points out is that there is a voluntary "GMO free" labeling initiative afoot similar to the labels on milk saying that the milk is rBGH
 free.  The market share of products with those labels is growing by 250% per year.  As for campaigning for prop 37, handing out fliers for the movie would do some of that too.  You can hand out 3 fliers per minute, as opposed to spending 5 minutes or more contacting and talking to each person that you manage to reach going door to door.  We can put the url for the movie on the flier so that people who can't make the exact date and time can still watch the movie.

John Thielking

--- On Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com> wrote:

From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37
To: "eden" <edenw at gal3.com>
Cc: "Greens" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 7:16 PM

      Thinking more about this, I'm concerned that it may not be a good use of resources to schedule a showing of this video at the Peace Center before the election. Specifically, I'm concerned that the vast majority of the people who might come to see this would already be planning to vote for prop 37.  Moreover, they time they spend watching this video could be better spent having them make phone calls or ringing the doorbells of their neighbors and asking some appropriate question like, do they feel they should have a right to know what's in the food they eat -- whatever question the Prop 37 campaign says we should ask.

      What can you tell us about what the "Yes on prop 37" campaign suggests we use for talking points with neighbors, etc.? If I'm not mistaken, they have enough money, they should have done focus groups, etc., to make good recommendations about the sound bites that are most likely to be effective.

       Spencer

On 10/11/2012 6:38 PM, eden wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Spencer Graves
> <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com> wrote:
>>        3.  I have not worked much with YouTube.  However, from my limited
>> experience, I've had lots of problems with YouTube videos in real time,
>> especially for something like this.  If you are trying to download it and
>> play it via wi fi in real time, I would NOT expect it to go smoothly.
>     I agree.
> 
>> It
>> would be best to download the video to a hard drive (or maybe a USB drive or
>> CD) and play it from there.  With a typical DSL connection, it can easily
>> take 3 hours to download the data for a 1.5 hour video, and if a user clicks
>> the wrong thing, it can restart from the beginning.  If you've watched it,
>> it probably is some place on your hard drive.  However, I have not done this
>> myself, so I don't know the details of how to do it.  I just know that it
>> should be feasible unless there is some special copyright protection in
>> YouTube and the operating system to prevent that.
>     I just attempted to download that YouTube using the DownloadHelper
> plugin for Firefox and it started to download with no problem. That
> usually implies that the file is free to download. (In other words, if
> the person who posted it didn't want it to be downloaded for copyright
> or other reasons, the file would not normally be downloadable with the
> plugin.)
> 
>     Enjoy.
> 
> --
> eden
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