[GPSCC-chat] Exercising Leadership

Tue Aug 20 11:42:06 PDT 2013

On 8/20/2013 11:36 AM, John Thielking wrote:
> Spencer,
>
> The default for the Santa Clara County Green Party Page should always 
> be to announce the current month's meeting and current events for that 
> month that the GP is tabling at. Consider that to be an ongoing action 
> item request from me.


       Not adequate:  I'm sufficiently overwhelmed with other priorities 
to find the time for that.  Send me a draft verbiage of what you want on 
our web page with links to other sources of information if any.  Ask 
that I put it on our web page, and I will. That method has worked for a 
few years now.  Anything less specific is more than I can juggle with 
all the other balls I have in the air ;-)


       Spencer


> And yes, I think that Drew should lighten up on MG's initiative to 
> start some FB pages.  Simply join the groups in question and then 
> message the moderator with our requests to hand over admin functions. 
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Thielking
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com>
> *To:* Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net>; Sandy Perry <PerrySandy at aol.com>
> *Cc:* Post South SF Bay discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:05 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [GPSCC-chat] Exercising Leadership
>
> On 8/20/2013 10:47 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:
>> On 8/20/2013 7:45 AM, Drew wrote on the GROW email list:
>>> So I'll say it again: these are not legit FB pages, certainly ot for our
>>> (Santa Clara) party.  Marnie needs to hand over admin rights to the
>>> respective councils and this exercise in unGreen centralization should
>>> NEVER be repeated.
>>>
>>> Green is DEcentralized!
>>>
>>> Drew
>> It appears that the concept of Green Party Leadership is an 
>> oxymoron.  Whenever anyone understands a need for actions, and then 
>> takes the steps to make that action possible, they are accused of 
>> being un-democratic.
>>
>> My real worry is that those who live at the grassroots of the party 
>> become so driven by the news of the day that then never step back and 
>> think about what needs to be done and how to make that happen. Rather 
>> than standing on the decentralization soapbox and castigating someone 
>> who had the foresight to take step 1, maybe the best approach is to 
>> say ... "Thank you for getting this started.  We really needed it.  
>> Now, how do we keep it working." Unless, of course, you don't think 
>> it is needed.
>>
>> Drew, as worded, your comments appear more like a power grab than an 
>> offer to help.   It could be interpreted as saying that you want to 
>> take over so that you can make sure that it dies.   If you were to 
>> introduce a motion for the Santa Clara County council to the effect 
>> that:
>> - Having a local presence on facebook is an important part of our 
>> success and wishes to thank Marnie Glickman for getting that started,
>> - The County Council recognizes that importance and are wiling to 
>> allocate the time and energy to maintain the minimal administration 
>> duties.
>> - The County Council will make the effort to ensure that interested 
>> people in Santa Clara County have the opportunity to participate in 
>> the group,
>> - and we formally request that Admin duties be transferred to a 
>> person designated by the county council.
>>
>> I am sure that Marnie will be more than happy to make that happen.
>>
>> Exercising Grassroots Democracy means taking responsibility for 
>> action, not just leading yet another demonstration. 
>
>
>       I agree with Wes:  I once heard someone say, "I'm not a member 
> of any organized political party: I'm a Democrat."  We need to assume 
> good intentions on the part of all -- even when we perceive evidence 
> to the contrary.  A seminal study of twentieth century revolutions 
> found that the successes were all a product of defections, and people 
> are more likely to defect if they are treated with respect 
> (effectivedefense.org -> "violence and nonviolence").  Ya catch more 
> flies with honey than vinegar ;-)
>
>
> SANDY:  Can we allocate a few minutes to discuss this issue (the 
> Facebook account for the Santa Clara Greens) at our meeting this 
> Thursday?  I'd be happier if someone else did it.  However, I'm 
> willing to do it under the same rules I use to maintain our primary 
> web page (www.cagreens.org/santaclara 
> <http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/>), where I only act when someone 
> requests it.  The last request was in mid-July, and the page still 
> announces our July meeting and two other July events.  That's mediocre 
> but better than what we had before I started doing this ;-)
>
>
>       Spencer
>
>
>> -- 
>> "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, 
>> then you are wasting your time on this Earth" - /Roberto Clemente/
>>
>>
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