[GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention

[Spencer Graves]

Hi, Drew, John, et al.:


On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:
> If it is only about personalities (which this is not) I agree with 
> this sentiment, however just as any false or harmful statement made in 
> public against others it needs to be challenged also in public.


       I see two problems here:


             1.  One persons "facts" are another's potentially "false or 
harmful statements".


             2.  Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate. This 
is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same thread in 
a list like this.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to this thread 
other than to see that Drew and John each have strong positions about 
something -- and the issues are easily misunderstood, because an email 
thread like this is a very poor tool for promoting understanding and 
reconciliation.


       Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to Wikiversity 
under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm trying to start 
there (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse)? In 
this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a table with 
three columns with titles something like "heterodox" and "orthodox" with 
"research needed" between the two.  This would allow each side to 
present their case with the supporting evidence and the other to raise 
questions about the evidence.  With a little luck, after some formal 
analysis and organization of evidence, you can develop a consensus 
statement that could then be reposted back to the group.


       I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity page 
for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia markup 
language so the discussion is actually productive, and it is easier to 
understand the different positions, the evidence behind same, and how a 
consensus might be reached.


       Spencer

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>     *Subject:* [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
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>     When something on our discussion list devolves into a personal
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>     to each other rather than to the entire list.
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