[GPSCC-chat] The Greatest Generation?

Wed Nov 13 11:26:26 PST 2013

Good comments Sandy. I agree generations blaming ewach other is useless. 
I do point the finger at the people though; it is up to them not to be 
misled, and it shouldn't be that difficult. McCarthyism could be cited 
correctly for blame on the war policies, although it was also because 
the military industrial complex responded habitually to communist 
threats (Truman and Johnson were not followers of McCarthy, but they did 
follow the complex's interests). Communism had some good points about 
controlling runaway capitalist greed, but its totalitarian methods and 
materialist values don't make it a viable method at all. But a better 
balance between socialism and capitalism that creates real rather than 
phony "freedom" and unequal prosperity, is being proposed now, and in 
the next decade-plus it will be put forward by Greens and others.

The Green values and platforms are an excellent roadmap of where we need 
to go. Green represents an advance on both democratic capitalism and 
socialism, taking the best of both and creating a new synthesis beyond 
the Marxist one. It respects the spiritual and inherent values of life, 
and brings individual freedom and collective responsibility into an 
ecology-like interaction and inter-dependence, like the person and the 
environment nourishing each other.

Eric the Green

On 11/11/2013 5:44 PM, perrysandy at aol.com wrote:
> I think it is wrong and actually divisive for generations to point the 
> finger at each other and cast blame. The blame lies with the corporate 
> capitalist system, not with the American people who have been misled 
> by politicians, the corporate media, and our corporate-controlled 
> education system.  The "greatest generation" WAS great - how many of 
> us would leave our families and communities for four or five years and 
> risk our lives to defend what they understood was democracy and freedom?
> The greatest generation was ruined by McCarthyism pure and simple. 
> Political debate in America, which thrived from the late 19th century 
> (and earlier) up through the early 1940s, was effectively ended. 
> Communists, socialists, and their "fellow-travelers" were hounded out 
> of Hollywood, the print media, radio, and every available means of 
> communication, not to mention unions, community organizations, 
> cultural groups, and even social clubs. When the left was shut out of 
> the debate - as surely as Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala were shut out 
> of the presidential debates - no wonder the result was war and 
> "mindless patriotism".
> We still suffer from McCarthyism today, where millions of people 
> continue to believe communism is a "criminal conspiracy" as Nixon 
> called it, rather than a viable and idealistic alternative to our 
> broken economy. It is up to us to not be afraid to put forward radical 
> solutions to society's problems. I joined the Greens because they are 
> not afraid to be different - as they say, the color of courage is green.
> I think conditions today are actually more favorable than ever for 
> proposing a new economic paradigm. For most people in the greatest 
> generation, capitalism actually worked (see "Capitalism - A Love 
> Story"). Now it is broken, failing to provide a living for millions 
> and failing to protect the environment. It is time for people like us 
> to step forward and change the world!
> Sandy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
> To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:05 am
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Greatest Generation?
>
> *I was inclined to think so until I recognized that they were not even
> *
> *smart enough to put wheels and a collapsible handle on their luggage*
> *--why should they be when Red Caps did all that for them?  Of course
> *
> *my  disillusionment with the Greatest doesn't change my evaluation of
> *
> *the Shittiest, my deGeneration, the one that climbed ***with Martin
> **
> **Luther King* out of the abyss to peer from the ridgetop, and then 
> stepped*
> *back from the brink of the Promised Land to settle for cocaine and
> *
> *luxury SUVs and McMansions instead of making the dream true.*
>
> **
> *We did succeed in preventing the war against Nicaragua, and probably
> *
> *we aided the liberation of South America such that US-backed torturers
> *
> *can now be prosecuted in Chile and Argentina, and victims of US -backed
> *
> *torturers could become presidents in Chile (Bachelet), Uruguay (Mujica)
> *
> *and Brazil (da Silva and Rouseff).   But Hollywood wars in Grenada and
> *
> *Panama and Kuwait enable the propagandists to claim we accomplished
> *
> *nothing, and that claim enabled the current crop of corrupt wars that
> *
> *continue today in Bush's fourth term.*
>
>
> **
> *Here's Professor Francis Boyle's poetic rant:*
>
> **
> *
> *
> *_The Greatest Generation?_*
> *Oh really?*
> *If they were so great*
> *Then why did they send*
> *Their Sons so willingly*
> *Off to die *
> *In Vietnam*
> *A war  they started*
> *While we suffered from*
> **
> *58,000 young men*
> *Of my generation*
> *Were murdered *
> *By The Greatest Generation*
> *Hundreds of Thousands*
> *Of our Lives were destroyed*
> *Plus**** 3 million genocided Vietnamese*
> *Not that "gooks" mattered to The Greatest Generation*
> *Then  neither did we their Sons *
> **
> *Why  didn't The Greatest Generation*
> *Rise up as One*
> *And tell the American Empire*
> *That you will not have our Sons*
> **
> *Over our dead bodies!*
> *Hell no!*
> *They will not go!*
> **
> *Why did The Greatest Generation*
> *Not fight for US their Sons *
> *Against the American Empire*
> *As they did against the German**** and  Japanese Empires*
> *We the Sons of the Greatest Generation were not worth it*
> **
> *They said they were liberating Peoples in Foreign Lands*
> *Then why did The Greatest Generation send   their Sons*
> *To fight and die*
> *In that God-forsaken Land?*
> *And to murder millions living in their own **Land?*
> **
> **
> *Was this some blood-sport***
> *we had to play*
> *With them as  pony riders*
> *and US  as  buzkashi goat carcasses*
> **
> *Was it  reverse Freudian Oedipal Complex*
> *Them killing us off***
> *before we got to  them*
> *And took their place*
> **
> *Were we  blood-sacrifice to Moloch*
> *With them as  Priests*
> *And we as  sacrificial lambs*
> **
> *Were they our   Abrahams*
> *Actually murdering  US  their  Isaacs*
> *In  a Holocaust*
> *To their  Genocidal Yahweh*
> **
> *Hard to say*
> *What was going on*
> *In the Minds of The Greatest Generation*
> *If anything at all*
> *Mindless Patriotism *
> *The last refuge of them Scoundrels!*
> **
> *They knew all about War*
> *then sent their Sons marching off*
> * Into the Valley of Death*
> *Charge of the Light Brigade*
> **
> *The result was predictable *
> *A Decimated Generation*
> *A Shattered Generation*
> *_MY GENERATION!_*
> *_BUT WE ENDED THEIR DAMN WAR!_*
> **
> *The Greatest Generation?*
> *Hell no!*
> *A Pathetic Generation!*
> **
> *May they  ever be  tormented*
> *By Their Own  Son's  Souls*
> **
> **
> **
> *_Professor Francis A. Boyle_
> *
> **
> **
> *Francis A. Boyle*
> *Law Building*
> *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.*
> *Champaign, IL 61820 USA*
> **
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