[GPSCC-chat] The Greatest Generation?

Brian snug.bug at hotmail.com
Wed Nov 13 12:26:40 PST 2013


My finger was pointed first of all at myself, though I'll suppose that wasn't obvious.

I found Professor Boyle's view provocative because I had arrived at that perception myself just a few days earlier in a discussion of militarism wherein one party started bragging about what a war hero his dad had been in WWII and for the first time in all these decades it occurred to me to ask "Well, didn't your war hero dad ever tell you that war is hell?  And why not?"

Why were the war heroes silent in the Vietnam controversy?  Why was there no Smedley Butler of the 1960s to take General Eisenhower's warnings about the Military Industrial Complex and run with them, and stand with Martin Luther King when he denounced Imperialism in his Riverside speech in 1967?   Of course we had the Winter Soldier hearings and the VVAW, but why did the Greatest Generation snub them?
As don't recall any effort to convince us that the war was right, but only the bald assertion that a communist Vietnam would be bad for America, and a lot of platitudes about duty and sacrifice and the price of freedom with no attempt at all to make a logical case for the war.

My rant about my deGeneration was born of my frustration at having accomplished nothing in almost ten years of full-time activism, which I attribute to a prevailing attitude of selfish, smug, and highly self-serving cynicism and apathy among those who have the skills and the resources to make a difference if they wanted to.   They anger me because for twenty years I was one of them.  I didn't even bother to vote most of the time, didn't even know Nader was running in 2000, didn't know about the mass mobe against the Iraq  war until after it was over.  It was because of my selfish apathy during those years, and the selfish apathy of a hundred million like me, that this country got so deep in Doo Doo Creek that we're starting to feel at home in it.  So I come to my activism work out of obligation to take responsibility for the mess that I created.

Where did those 100,000 people go who demonstrated in San Francisco against the Iraq war?  How come we could never get more than 1200 to lie down on the beach on a beautiful summer Sunday to demonstrate for impeachment?   There was a time when I idealized Carol Brouillet as something like the Lone Cypress, standing in the gale with the waves crashing around, and I believed that by standing as an inspiration to resistance she could make a distance.  I'm starting to feel that I've been swimming against the current in Doo Doo Creek for so long that I no longer even care that I'm getting nowhere.






Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:26:26 -0800
From: eric at philosopherswheel.com
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] The Greatest Generation?


  
    
  
  
    Good comments Sandy. I agree
      generations blaming ewach other is useless. I do point the finger
      at the people though; it is up to them not to be misled, and it
      shouldn't be that difficult. McCarthyism could be cited correctly
      for blame on the war policies, although it was also because the
      military industrial complex responded habitually to communist
      threats (Truman and Johnson were not followers of McCarthy, but
      they did follow the complex's interests). Communism had some good
      points about controlling runaway capitalist greed, but its
      totalitarian methods and materialist values don't make it a viable
      method at all. But a better balance between socialism and
      capitalism that creates real rather than phony "freedom" and
      unequal prosperity, is being proposed now, and in the next
      decade-plus it will be put forward by Greens and others. 

      

      The Green values and platforms are an excellent roadmap of where
      we need to go. Green represents an advance on both democratic
      capitalism and socialism, taking the best of both and creating a
      new synthesis beyond the Marxist one. It respects the spiritual
      and inherent values of life, and brings individual freedom and
      collective responsibility into an ecology-like interaction and
      inter-dependence, like the person and the environment nourishing
      each other.

      

      Eric the Green

      

      On 11/11/2013 5:44 PM, perrysandy at aol.com wrote:

    
    
        I think it is wrong and actually
            divisive for generations to point the finger at each other
            and cast blame. The blame lies with the corporate capitalist
            system, not with the American people who have been misled by
            politicians, the corporate media, and our
            corporate-controlled education system.  The "greatest
            generation" WAS great - how many of us would leave our
            families and communities for four or five years and risk our
            lives to defend what they understood was democracy and
            freedom?
         
        The greatest generation was ruined by McCarthyism pure and
          simple. Political debate in America, which thrived from the
          late 19th century (and earlier) up through the early 1940s,
          was effectively ended. Communists, socialists, and their
          "fellow-travelers" were hounded out of Hollywood, the print
          media, radio, and every available means of communication, not
          to mention unions, community organizations, cultural groups,
          and even social clubs. When the left was shut out of the
          debate - as surely as Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala were shut
          out of the presidential debates - no wonder the result was war
          and "mindless patriotism".
         
        We still suffer from McCarthyism today, where millions of
          people continue to believe communism is a "criminal
          conspiracy" as Nixon called it, rather than a viable and
          idealistic alternative to our broken economy. It is up to us
          to not be afraid to put forward radical solutions to society's
          problems. I joined the Greens because they are not afraid to
          be different - as they say, the color of courage is green. 
         
        I think conditions today are actually more favorable than
          ever for proposing a new economic paradigm. For most people in
          the greatest generation, capitalism actually worked (see
          "Capitalism - A Love Story"). Now it is broken, failing to
          provide a living for millions and failing to protect the
          environment. It is time for people like us to step forward and
          change the world!
         
         
        Sandy
        -----Original Message-----

          From: Brian <snug.bug at hotmail.com>

          To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>

          Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:05 am

          Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Greatest Generation?

          

          
            
              
                I was inclined to think so until
                      I recognized that they were not even 

                    
                smart enough to put wheels and a
                      collapsible handle on their luggage
                --why should they be when Red
                      Caps did all that for them?  Of course 

                    
                my  disillusionment with the
                      Greatest doesn't change my evaluation of 

                    
                the Shittiest, my deGeneration,
                      the one that climbed with
                          Martin 

                        
                Luther King out
                      of the abyss to peer from the ridgetop, and then
                      stepped
                back from the brink of the
                      Promised Land to settle for cocaine and 

                    
                luxury SUVs and McMansions
                      instead of making the dream true.
                

                  
                We did succeed in preventing the
                      war against Nicaragua, and probably 

                    
                we aided the liberation of South
                      America such that US-backed torturers 

                    
                can now be prosecuted in Chile
                      and Argentina, and victims of US -backed 

                    
                torturers could become
                      presidents in Chile (Bachelet), Uruguay (Mujica) 

                    
                and Brazil (da Silva and
                      Rouseff).   But Hollywood wars in Grenada and 

                    
                Panama and Kuwait enable the
                      propagandists to claim we accomplished 

                    
                nothing, and that claim enabled
                      the current crop of corrupt wars that 

                    
                continue today in Bush's fourth
                      term.
                

                

                  
                Here's Professor Francis Boyle's
                      poetic rant:
                

                  
                

                    
                The Greatest Generation?
                Oh really?
                If they were so great
                Then why did they send
                Their Sons so willingly
                Off to die
                    
                In Vietnam
                A war  they started
                While we suffered from
                 
                58,000 young men
                Of my generation
                Were murdered
                    
                By The Greatest Generation
                Hundreds of Thousands
                Of our Lives were destroyed
                Plus
                     3 million genocided Vietnamese
                Not that “gooks” mattered to The
                      Greatest Generation
                Then  neither did we their Sons
                    
                 
                Why  didn’t The Greatest
                      Generation
                Rise up as One
                And tell the American Empire
                That you will not have our Sons
                 
                Over our dead bodies!
                Hell no!
                They will not go!
                 
                Why did The Greatest Generation
                Not fight for US their Sons
                    
                Against the American Empire
                As they did against the German
                     and  Japanese Empires
                We the Sons of the Greatest
                      Generation were not worth it
                 
                They said they were liberating
                      Peoples in Foreign Lands
                Then why did The Greatest
                      Generation send   their Sons
                To fight and die
                In that God-forsaken Land?
                And to murder millions living in
                      their own
                    Land?
                 
                 
                Was this some blood-sport
                we had to play
                With them as  pony riders
                and US  as  buzkashi goat
                      carcasses
                 
                Was it  reverse Freudian Oedipal
                      Complex
                Them killing us off
                before we got to  them
                And took their place
                 
                Were we  blood-sacrifice to
                      Moloch
                With them as  Priests
                And we as  sacrificial lambs
                 
                Were they our   Abrahams
                Actually murdering  US  their
                       Isaacs
                In  a Holocaust
                To their  Genocidal Yahweh
                 
                Hard to say
                What was going on
                In the Minds of The Greatest
                      Generation
                If anything at all
                Mindless Patriotism
                    
                The last refuge of them
                      Scoundrels!
                 
                They knew all about War
                then sent their Sons marching
                      off
                 Into the Valley of Death
                Charge of the Light Brigade
                 
                The result was predictable
                    
                A Decimated Generation
                A Shattered Generation
                MY GENERATION!
                BUT WE ENDED THEIR DAMN WAR!
                 
                The Greatest Generation?
                Hell no!
                A Pathetic Generation!
                 
                May they  ever be  tormented
                By Their Own  Son’s  Souls
                 
                 
                 
                Professor Francis A. Boyle 

                    
                 
                 
                Francis
                      A. Boyle
                Law
                      Building
                504
                      E. Pennsylvania Ave.
                Champaign,
                      IL 61820 USA
                 
            
          
          
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