[GPSCC-chat] Crimea (was: Updated Part 2: Full BOS Vote Violated Brown Act? Please Vote Down Bottled Water Ban)

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When did we start thinking it was our job to countermand local elections?




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From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>; Greens Discussion List <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Donna Wallach <palestineis at dslextreme.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:48 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Crimea (was: Updated Part 2: Full BOS Vote Violated Brown Act? Please Vote Down Bottled Water Ban)


          
    
      What would Obama do if Texas were      80% Spanish Speakers and voted to succeed from the US and rejoin      Mexico -- AND Mexico had a few thousand nuclear weapons and troops      in Texas?  
      
      
            According to Al Jazeera, 83 percent of the eligible voters      cast ballots.  Thus, at least 79 % (0.83 * 0.95) of the Crimean      population voted to join Russia.  
      
      
            This is not a surprise, as the Ukrainian Parliament voted 3      weeks ago to tell their Russian-speaking minority they could not      use Russian in government offices.  Acting 
      President Turchynov vetoed the measure, but the message was heard      very clearly by Putin and the Russian speakers in the Crimea.  In      fact, the Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine were transferred to the      Ukraine from Russia in 1954 after having been a part of Russia for      the previous 160 years.  They had not previously been part of the      Ukraine.  
      
      
            This is the exact opposite of what Canada did 45 years ago:       In 1969 with a popular separatist movement in Quebec, the Canadian      Parliament gave French co-equal status with English.  The English      Canadians told the Quebecois they were part of Canada.  
      
      
            There are several recent precedents for this:  
      
      
                  * In the 1990s, Bosnia and Kosovo became independent      of Serbia after very bloody wars.  
      
      
                  * In 1992-3 Czechoslovakia split peacefully into the      Czech Republic and Slovakia.  
      
      
                  * In 1919 plebiscites were held in Schleswig to      determine the border between German and Denmark.  The Danish king      was offered Schleswig and Holstein as part of the Treaty of      Versailles.  Schleswig and Holstein had been part of Denmark in      1860 and had fought wars of independence in 1864-6.  To avoid a      repeat of this, the Danish king organized these plebiscites.       Northern Schleswig voted to stay with Denmark.  Southern Schleswig      voted to stay with Germany.  
      
      
            Putin moved to both protect both the Russian minority in the      Crimea and Russian military facilities there.  
      
      
            Spencer 
      
      
      On 3/16/2014 6:09 PM, John Thielking wrote:
    
    
      
        
See more below. I hope this is the last e-mail about            this from me for awhile. We need to focus on Ukraine right            now. Crimea just today voted to join Russia by a 95% Yes            vote.  Hopefully RT America stays on cable tv even after the            likely sanctions against Russian investors.
          
        

          
        
John Thielking
          
        
      
      
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