[GPSCC-chat] Crimea

[Spencer Graves]

       The US has tried to countermand local elections for quite some time.


             * 1952:  President Truman endorsed a military coup on Cuba 
when it became clear that the US puppet there would lose. Fidel Castro 
was running for some minor office in that election. It's cancellation 
pushed him to adopt more radical measures.


             * 1953:  President Eisenhower ordered the Central 
Intelligence Agency to organize the secret destruction of democracy in 
Iran, and subjected that country to a quarter century of state terror.  
Iran has no reason to fear the intentions of the US?


             * 1964:  President Johnson ordered the destruction of 
democracy in Brazil.  The current president of Brazil, Dilma Rousseff, 
is telling the world she was tortured by that dictatorship in the 
1970s.  Is that in our interest or the interest of the Brazilians?


       The US has been intervening in foreign countries at least since 
President Washington sent US tax money to plantation owners in Haiti to 
help them suppress a slave rebellion there during the French 
Revolution.  However, that did not involve countermanding a local election.


       I have two blogs at "sanjosepeace.wordpress.com" that provide 
more examples (with citations for those who would like to know even more).


       Thanks for asking.


       Spencer


On 3/17/2014 8:21 AM, Leedobell wrote:
> When did we start thinking it was our job to countermand local elections?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> To: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>; Greens Discussion List 
> <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Donna Wallach <palestineis at dslextreme.com>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:48 pm
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Crimea (was: Updated Part 2: Full BOS Vote 
> Violated Brown Act? Please Vote Down Bottled Water Ban)
>
>       What would Obama do if Texas were 80% Spanish Speakers and voted 
> to succeed from the US and rejoin Mexico -- AND Mexico had a few 
> thousand nuclear weapons and troops in Texas?
>
>
>       According to Al Jazeera, 83 percent of the eligible voters cast 
> ballots.  Thus, at least 79 % (0.83 * 0.95) of the Crimean population 
> voted to join Russia.
>
>
>       This is not a surprise, as the Ukrainian Parliament voted 3 
> weeks ago to tell their Russian-speaking minority they could not use 
> Russian in government offices.  Acting
> President Turchynov vetoed the measure, but the message was heard very 
> clearly by Putin and the Russian speakers in the Crimea.  In fact, the 
> Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine were transferred to the Ukraine from 
> Russia in 1954 after having been a part of Russia for the previous 160 
> years.  They had not previously been part of the Ukraine.
>
>
>       This is the exact opposite of what Canada did 45 years ago:  In 
> 1969 with a popular separatist movement in Quebec, the Canadian 
> Parliament gave French co-equal status with English.  The English 
> Canadians told the Quebecois they were part of Canada.
>
>
>       There are several recent precedents for this:
>
>
>             * In the 1990s, Bosnia and Kosovo became independent of 
> Serbia after very bloody wars.
>
>
>             * In 1992-3 Czechoslovakia split peacefully into the Czech 
> Republic and Slovakia.
>
>
>             * In 1919 plebiscites were held in Schleswig to determine 
> the border between German and Denmark.  The Danish king was offered 
> Schleswig and Holstein as part of the Treaty of Versailles. Schleswig 
> and Holstein had been part of Denmark in 1860 and had fought wars of 
> independence in 1864-6. To avoid a repeat of this, the Danish king 
> organized these plebiscites.  Northern Schleswig voted to stay with 
> Denmark.  Southern Schleswig voted to stay with Germany.
>
>
>       Putin moved to both protect both the Russian minority in the 
> Crimea and Russian military facilities there.
>
>
>       Spencer
>
>
> On 3/16/2014 6:09 PM, John Thielking wrote:
>> See more below. I hope this is the last e-mail about this from me for 
>> awhile. We need to focus on Ukraine right now. Crimea just today 
>> voted to join Russia by a 95% Yes vote. Hopefully RT America stays on 
>> cable tv even after the likely sanctions against Russian investors.
>>
>> John Thielking
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